Viral anti-marketing "Don't Buy the Hype"

[RayTracer]

that quote and the article made my day ^^

the article is great, really a lot of investigation behind it, a lot of great conclusions behind it, i wouldn't guess without it. I don't really think it anticipates the reader something. Linked it on my blog, thanks

 

[Bradylama]

I liked his reaction in the original thread that was deleted:

1. You have way too much time on your hands. Go outside and get a hobby or a job or something.
2. Why should we buy your hype?
3. I'm not reading all of that.

This is my hobby.

 

[Jack The Knife]

Good read! Nothing beats a greater understanding. Kudos!

I don't know DAC too well, but I take it they can be trusted not to give in to Bethesdas divide and conquer tactics.
But what of the other fan sites? Any in particular who might be prone to crack under Bethesda's pressure, and big enough to make a difference?

What better ways than an allied opposition to beat fascism?

 

[Rainstorm]

ATM I can't really think of anyone big enough to make a difference...Vault13 iended up under one of these I think....or did it go bust? (haven't checked it for quite a while,but from what I remember from back when it would've been the only contender to DaC and NMA...among the English speaking sites)

I'm not too sure how it is in Russia though...but Russians are a people that won't bow down without reason...now that they've been liberated from Stalin,Lenin and whatnot...

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

It got me thinking... Everything that Beth has done in the last few years has been an insult to intelligence; Morrowind, Oblivion, fucking horse armor, Star Dreck. Every move they've made was like a giant fuck you to intelligent people everywhere.

 

[Brother None]

There are no major fansites besides NMA and DaC. The Radiated Society is the next biggest, and they're only peripherally involved with Fallout.

The next-biggest sites are modding sites and foreign sites, neither the target of Bethesda

 

[Jack The Knife]

So we can consider us well dug in and ready for the attack?

How tight are the bonds between NMA and DAC? Tight enough to withstand something like STG and STGU experienced?
Though, from reading the interview with Victor of STG, I understood there were already bad blood between STG and STGU prior to Bethesda pouring petrol on the fire.

 

[Rainstorm]

So we can consider us well dug in and ready for the attack?

I don't feel the least bit worried at least...since both NMA and DaC were there when I got into the game (IIRC) and they still both are,I think they'll be here around FO5 too....(and they'd still most likely be "eleven angry guys on a website"....)

 

[Bradylama]

Right, the acting relationship between NMA and DAC is nothing like the relationship between STG and STGU. KoC just likes to run his site differently and the DAC community has a different atmosphere. Both communities have the same interests, however, and we've all collaborated on something at some point. This piece, for instance, and how KoC has promised to put it in the DAC database.

 

[Sander]

There have been times of 'bad blood' between the sites, but nowadays most of the 'the other site sucks!' stuff comes from either people who got banned from that other site, or from people who are joking.

Both sites are just different and have different audiences. We're perfectly capable of peacefully co-existing and collaborating.

 

[Jesus Christ]

Any “bad blood” between us is largely just repartee. Should a wedge be driven between us, it would be engulfed by mutual distain. Though we may not always present a united front, we have always been and shall always be, united in our cause and bound by our resolve.

One thing that separates the Fallout fans from most others is the fact that we have been duped, and duped, and duped again. We have come to be a distrustful community and any P.R. B.S. will not be accepted until its validity is witnessed with no tentative commitment by the community as a whole. We have been bound by betrayals, and hence forth shall never de divided by the same. We stand united, and no matter how sturdy the steel and how hard the charge, our lines will not be broken lest they are fallen in their entirety.

 

[Jack The Knife]

Both sites are just different and have different audiences. We're perfectly capable of peacefully co-existing and collaborating.

But what if Bethesda tried to set one site up against the other as they did with the Star Trek community?
Would the relationship hold?
We should expect this if/when Fallout 3 fulfills our worst nightmares, and Bethesda want to silence the critics the fascist way.

 

[Brother None]

But what if Bethesda tried to set one site up against the other as they did with the Star Trek community?
Would the relationship hold?

If either site accepts "perks" like forum modship or "exclusive" info from Bethesda, and then acts differently as a result...no, it probably wouldn't hold

 

[Rainstorm]

Both sites are just different and have different audiences. We're perfectly capable of peacefully co-existing and collaborating.

But what if Bethesda tried to set one site up against the other as they did with the Star Trek community?
Would the relationship hold?
We should expect this if/when Fallout 3 fulfills our worst nightmares, and Bethesda want to silence the critics the fascist way.

I thought that was answered above,I mean even Christ himself came here and told us there was nothing to worry about...how much more of proof do you need?

 

[Sander]

But what if Bethesda tried to set one site up against the other as they did with the Star Trek community?
Would the relationship hold?

If either site accepts "perks" like forum modship or "exclusive" info from Bethesda, and then acts differently as a result...no, it probably wouldn't hold

However, I doubt that the community of either site would accept this.

I'm very sure, at least, that the staff at this site won't accept this, and the community won't either. And I'm pretty sure the staff and community at DaC wouldn't accept this either.

 

[Jack The Knife]

Thank you for the reassurance!

I can not imagine a much worse scenario than if Fallout 3 turns out as our worst fears and, to rub it in, one of the sites ends up under Bethesda's forum rules.

I am confident it would never be NMA, though!

Imagine:
nca-fallout.com, No Critics Allowed, with latest headline: 'After repeated fan requests, Oblivion and Fallout universes have been linked by Oblivion gates/teleporters. Now you can travel between the worlds with any character!'

Neat!

I thought that was answered above,I mean even Christ himself came here and told us there was nothing to worry about...how much more of proof do you need?

I have never been much of a beliver. Maybe if he said it while doing the burning bush trick...

 

[Bradylama]

This is starting to get ridiculous guys. I know you're joking, but a lot of this talk is reaching Che Guevara levels of nonsense.

DAC isn't stupid and neither are we. There's no way that DAC or NMA mods can be bought with positions of volunteer modding at official forums (who the fuck wants that?) or "exclusive info" that would more than likely piss us off.

I know KoC has a better working relationship with Bethesda but when the chips are down he's still a Fallout fan. I never implied that DAC would give in, only that they're the best candidate for Beth to attempt another D&C.

 

[RayTracer]

Thank you for the reassurance!

I can not imagine a much worse scenario than if Fallout 3 turns out as our worst fears and, to rub it in, one of the sites ends up under Bethesda's forum rules.

I am confident it would never be NMA, though!

Please do not start thinking that way^^, it's the kind of way Bethesda (if they really plan something in this direction on us (Aaah, they're gonna infiltrate us )) wants us to think : "If something goes wrong, it surely isn't NMA", and then DAC think's exactly the same, just inverted. I'm sure you all know this situation from even the cheapest and worst Hollywood movies, distrust blabla and in the end everybody is fucking dead ^^

No, I mean, we really gotta trust each other, and although scepticism is always necessary, you gotta distinct it between seeing yourself as the better one side.
Both the communities have to trust, and classify each other as equal.

 

[Silencer]

And we're supposed to be the arbitrarily oppressive ones? They delete a thread because it is a "big load of BS" and then lock another one because it is "equally dumb" and *we*'re the meanies?

Also, too verbose, but a good read nonetheless.

Any “bad blood” between us is largely just repartee. Should a wedge be driven between us, it would be engulfed by mutual distain. Though we may not always present a united front, we have always been and shall always be, united in our cause and bound by our resolve.

Yay, 3000 word post!

 

[Lysandus]

@Kharn:

Is there some reason you don't want to post my button on the NMA front page?

If it's a size/color thing there are plenty of other buttons to choose from.