Why Robert Edwin House is the best hope for the wasteland and humanity
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Because although it's easy to evaluate all the possible vanilla endings, the DLCs have a lot of things that overwrite them. What if I decided to help Elijah and spread the Cloud? What if I nuked both the Long 15 and Dry Wells?
But I suppose I see your point, and I did say that the Big MT's resources are the Courier's, not Mr. House's; either way, I think my point stands: any benefit that could come from using the technology recovered from the Big MT (both the Divide and the Sierra Madre are unlikely to be scavanged) could be applied to both Mr. House and the Independent ending.
It's not like it would take any effort to annex Freeside; I don't think there's anyone save for the Van Graffs that could stand up to his securitrons, and I'm sure they'd be happy to strike a deal. I just don't think he sees any value in it and whilst he might certainly be right from a totally financial and pragmatic point of view, it surely doesn't make him a good leader.
As for Repconn, Robert's field of specialization was robotics, not aerospace, and even if by some miracle he managed to pick up where the company left off from their scattered data and taught himself everything there is to know about rocket science (the latter not so much impossible, just unfeasible in his self-assigned time frame), he'd still have to find all the prime materials needed, extract them and somehow reconstruct the necessary equipment to refine them and then arrange for their transport and assembly, as well as myriad of other things; although this isn't impossible in the broadest sense of the term given his immortality, it would be a massive drain on his resources and attention even if he didn't have an estimated completion date. Given his pragmatic nature, he's unlikely to focus on anything else; having goals doesn't make him a good leader for humanity.
Even if he were to succeed in--what was it? 200 years?-- it would most likely mean an exponential drain on the resources meant for his subjects, creating increasing unrest that he would quell with violence. He's an Orwellian dystopia waiting to happen.
You're misinterpreting what I meant. I'm not saying he is insane; on the contrary, I think he's probably brilliant. What I'm saying is a lot of people say a lot of things, and just because they say they'll do something doesn't mean they actually will. They may be lying, they may have miscalculated, they may have set themselves an unrealistic goal; in the end, the only proof we have of his actions are the ending slides.
It's not the game that mourns him; Mr. House has that eulogy written for himself and has it broadcast all over the Mojave; if anything, it just shows how much of a narcissist he is.
I stand corrected.
Throatpunch
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Do refrain from such vulgar language in a civilised debate. Then again, this is what I should have expected of a Legion fan
He uses the casino managers as his proxies to do his work for him, and if you side with him and neutralise the threats he has them all under his thumb.
Political accounts? I would say post apocalyptica isn't the time for politics, is the time for practical people to do practical things
Financial accounts? You are just wrong there mate, he spent 812,000 caps on finding the platinum chip, and the FEZNV is loaded.
Welfare accounts? That's delicious coming from a Legion supporter, at least he hasn't got a crucifixion fetish, and doesn't behead "Moral Degenerates". I am sure people in the wasteland prefer his Laissez faire approach to the Legions crazed genocidal farce.
I admit it is stable in Legion territory, but those who give up liberty for security deserve neither.
If you read below, You'll find it is, and at least he is colonising new planets/moons, not some irradiated desert.
Did you read this?
He does have the resources, there are many parts of America still unexplored, and if there was space travel, that means that its only feasible that there are sophisticated launch facilities to explore.
*securitrons
I am sure he can produce some more securitrons, who says that the factory is broken, and also I am sure he has an advanced repair facility.
I have read some of your other thread posts, and I love how you overstate the Legions capability against level 2 Securitions.
They were absolutely vaporised in the MR House ending mission.
You have no chance.
NCR harrying him?
The NCR military is not an effective organisation by this point, and if you didn't realise, the Legion have been utterly destroyed. if you imagine, as a warrior state, the legions entire military comes with them at once, so when they are nuked by Missles and vaporised, that Caesars legions gone. also any survivors will just scrap over the remains and not get things done, basically a mugger/ vandal gang. After such a defeat the government in California will be in crisis, half the cabinet will have to go, General Oliver's dead/ committed suicide/ humiliated, and the economy will implode. NCR expansionism will be put on hold, due to massive public opposition, not wanting another Mojave Vietnam. The economy will implode because of huge deficits racked up by the Mojave war, and NCR will probably enter a depression. also, Californian families will be pissed a their boys not coming home and dying futilely. once House and his lieutenant are done going back to the Mojave will be last on their agenda, since social troubles at homes will be immense, and all faith in the govt will dissapear. people are already disenfranchised with ncrs direction, and this is obvious in the game. it will be hugely exacerbated by a Mojave embarrassment.
and were debunked by logic, like you were.
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Black Angel
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Then that's that. Isn't this is why we love RPGs? The possibility of nearly everything? Making our own story based on what happened, what's happening, and what will happen? To choose, and then be faced with the consequences?
This thread should be merged with that other thread talking about the best ending of New Vegas.
To be fair, Freeside is quite big. With only a handful of Securitrons, it would be hard to keep an eye on both the Strip and Freeside. The Van Graffs are actually newcomers, so Mr. House should make a deal with the Kings who actually have a say in anything happening in Freeside. But, again, he needed to keep an eye on the Strip, and the NCR walking around there, all the while focusing his resources to find the Platinum Chip.
And that's why he specifically said, "..with all that money pouring in? Give me 20 years, and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation."
In 20 years, he promises the return of hi-tech development sectors. Heck, maybe even less than that if you, the Courier, decided to help him with the tech of Big MT.
I'll concede that he maybe not the good leader for humanity, which is why he will have us to do all the goody two-shoes for mankind. Like, he will be focusing on doing what he's best at, and we will be focusing on doing what we're best at, all to help mankind get back to its' feet.
Considering RobCo's specialization is robotics, I'm predicting that the means of doing all the physical work to make space-travel possible, would be through automated factories. Thanks to that, there's no need to provide resources like food and water on that focus. Remember, money isn't a problem for Mr. House. New Vegas Strip would easily bring all the money he wanted. That abandoned trains in the Mojave? Mr. House wanted to immediately have it work, which would speed up not only the money, but also other resources. And then there's the prospective deal to be made further with the NCR, and also to the north beyond Zion. This might be quite a stretch, so I can see why everyone think Mr. House's goal is only pipe dream
To be fair, Mr. House spending 812000 caps in a year just to look for Platinum Chip is...... impressive. To me, Mr. House always come as a person who will always say things that matter and relevant. From the fact he spent those caps to look for Platinum Chip alone, means he's not all talk big, because he's really mean it and it will happen.
And then there's the thing with the ending slides that I can't help but think of there's some slides missing due to being cut content. Now that I think about it, there was no slide to give some closure whether or not New Vegas expanded, or anything regarding that if we join Mr. House. Old World Blues give us some closure that the Courier actually returned to the Big MT to use their tech, and also many things like Blind Diode Jefferson saved the Big MT from a 'sonic invasion' in 2910.
Hmm, that's possible. But for a guy who remained mysterious and secluded for 7 years, all the while making some of the inhabitants of the wasteland to question if he really existed or not, I don't think that's really the case.
Illuminati Confirmed!
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Dude, your posts would be much easier to read (not to mention smaller) if you started using quotes.
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Nice ad hominem.
Politics
Politics is always important, especially in a scenario where the right leader means the difference between life and death, such as the post-apocalypse.
Finances
No arguments there.
Welfare
Again, nice ad hominem. As for liberty for security, House isn't much better, placing various securitrons around the wasteland to keep his subjects in check and going so far as to establish a police state in New Vegas proper. The only difference between him and the Legion in terms of security in the endgame is that it's actually safe to go through Legion territory.
REPCONN had barely reached the stage of orbital deployment when the bombs dropped; the reason House acquired it in the first place is because it showed promise, something that means precisely zilch now that everyone involved is dead. The only thing House can retrieve from the REPCONN files is data he probably already has and isn't all that useful.
We don't know anything about the Lunar conflict; everything about it so far is simply speculation. Assuming, however, that lunar colonies do exist, it still wouldn't be possible to reach them with REPCONN technology, and restoring them would take so much effort and planning and resources that it would just be better to make new ones, which House does not have the resources to do.
Getting to a broken lunar facility with rockets he doesn't have and has no means to produce isn't exactly a walk in the park. Besides, there's nothing of value on the Moon; even if he could scavenge any info which he'd find useful (probably relating to terraforming rather than interstellar travel) it's not like he wouldn't be able to find it on Earth. Going to the Moon would be a monumental waste of time for any reason other than to build a colony ship which he A. doesn't have the resources and technology for and B. doesn't have the technological expertise to engineer (not to mention he can't even get to the moon, as explained above).
If House wins, it's unlikely that there would be a third battle of Hoover Dam; both the Legion and the NCR would be drained of military resources, and House would be far more useful as an ally and trading partner than an enemy.
Ignoring the point about the unfeasibility of a moon base which I have already illustrated, what technology could he scavenge from the Mojave? Rockets aren't just a mish-mash of any piece of hi-tech equipment you can find; even if he did spend the hundreds of thousands of caps necessary to do so, 99% of it would be entirely useless to him. The only real place he could find anything remotely useful would be REPCONN and as we've established, they were an opportunity burned away in nuclear fire. Vault 22 might offer some insight into terraforming, but just like REPCONN they don't have anything House can actually use, just a possibility for further research that died with its original dwellers.
Earth isn't drained of resources, it's drained of fossil fuels. There are plenty of alternatives and it wouldn't be hard to set up a society using them; hell, alternative fuels are probably one of the few pre-war projects that House could accomplish, given how nuclear energy as a day-to-day source of power was almost a reality before the Great War and many of his own robots use it. Hell, Gecko has a working nuclear reactor; I'm sure humankind could find something else to use.
Your projected fall of the NCR is nothing but conjecture; sure, I'll concede that they like to shape themselves based on the Old World, but it doesn't mean they'll repeat their mistakes. Besides, it'll take hundreds of years for the NCR to actually reach a stage where overpopulation becomes an issue; they've already been shown planning for food shortages in advance and have created their own infrastructure. Despite their flaws they've done a lot of admirable progress and are unlikely to collapse anytime soon.
If you want to talk about expansionism, talk about the Legion; their society is actually modeled after Imperialistic Rome in almost every aspect and as such can only sustain itself through the conquest of new territories. Whilst it's true that, if left to their own devices, most of the Legion's plans come to fruition, but apart from the obvious problem that it's just a cult of personality, the moment they stop conquering their society collapses.
House's entire problem is that his reach doesn't expand beyond the Mojave; he just doesn't have the manpower to do so. Even assuming that he did and by some miracle found non-expired fuel and intact rockets (or enough resources and intact facilities to make his own rockets), we come back to the issue that he can't go beyond the moon, even assuming he could construct his own facilities or restore the pre-existing ones (which is unlikely).
I will agree that the securitron vault actually start producing more once you re-activate it, but it's unlikely to be an infinitely sustainable process.
Securitrons might be fearsome, but the fault in House's all-robot approach is that frumentarii like Vulpes Inculta are free to enter his territories as they please, and even Benny managed to hack into his network undetected with minimal help. I will concede, however, that it's unlikely for the Legion to be able to defeat House after the end of the game, especially so if Caesar is dead.
This is all such baseless speculation that it's not really even worth tackling.
AND NOW FOR PART TWO
I know, I'm just trying to make things easier for the sake of discussion.
I assumed the title of the thread meant he was the best leader for humanity, but maybe it was more of a "the ends justify the means" sort of deal.
Considering RobCo's specialization is robotics, I'm predicting that the means of doing all the physical work to make space-travel possible, would be through automated factories. Thanks to that, there's no need to provide resources like food and water on that focus. Remember, money isn't a problem for Mr. House. New Vegas Strip would easily bring all the money he wanted. That abandoned trains in the Mojave? Mr. House wanted to immediately have it work, which would speed up not only the money, but also other resources. And then there's the prospective deal to be made further with the NCR, and also to the north beyond Zion. This might be quite a stretch, so I can see why everyone think Mr. House's goal is only pipe dream
I meant more in the sense of manufacturing resources. Fossil fuels aren't a problem since REPCONN's rockets use plasma propulsion, but things like gold and copper for circuitry would be all but drained. Scavenging might be a solution, but it'd take up huge chunks of salvage just to set up said dedicated facilities.
Well, we have to work with what we have, and what we have isn't enough to tell us if House achieved his dream.
I'm pretty sure he canonically wrote it himself; it even has a note at the end.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/A_Tragedy_Has_Befallen_All_Mankind
Not to mention the news of his death is broadcast over the radio in a similar tone and that Caesar says he read his obituary.
Either way, my point isn't that he couldn't achieve his goal, it's that there's no way he could do it in any relevant time frame. By the time he built his "colony ship", humanity would have no need for it anymore and people would probably not even follow him.
Throatpunch
Banned
Its speculation, but not baseless, NCR, while sort of stable, is in a really precarious situation. It feels kinda like how it was for the US in its birthing years, apart from the fact that it is much more of a job in the post apocalypse. It seems to be making all the mistakes real America did, like Vietnam war type farces etcetera.
Chill out it was a joke
By talking about politics what I meant was that he is the right leader.
What I am trying to say is that politics can slow things down and clog things up, especially as we have seen in NCR, with the corruption.
I would say it is amusing that people in the Legion can discuss welfare, meanwhile the Legion they support crucifies innocents to make a point.
Maybe thats me being a wuss, but I dont like random crucifixion
The strip and the people there are not subjugated my friend, it is just the rule of law is well enforced there
It is full to the brim of sex, drugs and rock and roll, to use an overused saying.
To be fair trade routes are not safe under House, but with a twitch of his finger he could have the raider groups annihilated.
As the courier has a modicum of influence over Houses decisions, perhaps you could persuade him to do this?
House says himself that he cares not what people do, and does not want to be worshipped like a dictator, just as long as people dont intervene with his plans.
I agree completely with that, however progress has been stalled because of the Legion, and House absolutely mugs them off if you complete his ending.
What about the point I made about rocket launch facilities?
Also, there were rockets in the NV quest Come Fly with Me and in one ending a bunch of mismatched ghouls and a courier with a science skill of 55 manage to get rockets working. It begs the question, what could House do with those?
I presume he could get out of the Mojave with his robots? Or maybe send them out as protection for a team of scientists/scavengers.
Maybe even he could get the NCR on his payroll to hand over valuable equipment, since in the end of Houses ending he has them under control with his ultimatum anyway. Perhaps colony ships are far fetched, but we don't know the extent of the resources House hoarded before the war, along with the securitrons. I am not just creating scenarios to fit my argument here, if he can still fabricate securitrons, he should be able to gather the resources for a colony ship.
Only speculation, of course.
Why would a colony shop be no longer needed? Are you implying they could build one themselves?
Frumentarri dont pose a threat to his operation, given they cannot get near house, or even commit some kind of mass murder in a casino or the streets to put people off going to NV.
Benny did pose a threat, but was too reckless and silly to cause real damage. His way is pretty much the only way to break into Houses network without hacking (virtually impossible) and it had huge holes. Like Yes Man saying Yes to betraying him for the courier.
Gold and copper circuits are not really that hard to find, as we can see in Fallout 4, copper is an integral part of the building process.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
PROFLIGATE!!! Honestly I don't mind. It's fine if you do that but answer my point secondly. By the way, I've got a cross coming for you.
Hmm funny... last time I checked SOMEONE called Benny was betrayed House because of prolonged silence... I don't see any problems with the casinos, do you?
Except politics is practical, and everyone is doing it. What do you think the NCR, Caesar's Legion hell even the Khans are doing? Politics is the continuation of war, and war the continuation of politics. And he's failed, the only thing keeping the NCR from taking Vegas isn't his robotic army, BUT the Legion. They can't risk fighting a two front war.
Oh he's loaded from the past (where he has business advisors and managers) but he doesn't actually run the casinos (as evident from the his crazed search for the platinum chip, while leaving the actual owners successfully run their business) and only gets money from extortion not smart choices. Mr House seems to be all intelligent, but his actual method of running the city is crude and reminiscent of a less savage legion.
Huh, funny how the Legion offers security and order in their whole territory while Mr House can't even protect the people on his backyard. Reality is, House has never helped anyone. I mean think about it, did he create jobs? No, the casino owners did that themselves. Did he create a strong society? More like forced them to it and left. Is he an inspiring leader that gets things done? No, he sits in the back getting free cash from the casinos and trying to get a platinum chip. Will he do anything in the future? Umm... no. Realistically there's no way he can get the resources to create space travel and industry from the Mojave. He doesn't have the man(robot)power to expand, basically shown where he has to ally with the NCR to defeat the Legion. Must I say more?
Are you kidding me? You're literally saying that to get resources he has to mine the moon (I admit, that's possible but...) but he needs resources TO get to the moon. There's no way he can get the rockets, fuel and more in the Mojave. Unless his robot army becomes super powerful and expands across, beating the NCR and Legion. That whole paragraph never explained how he would get to the moon... so yeah.
1. That's not necessarily a factory. It appeared more as an advanced storage which means that IF IT IS a storage (which seems more likely due to the limited size and lack of areas to get materials inside) then the amount is limited. You're sure he's got... assumptions much?
Yeah I know, the NCR didn't do anything at all. Why, they were probably all napping in their military bases, flying in their dreams.
Ehh, I think I did well.
Doomfullord
The Lord Full of Doom
Anyway, I'mma add some new thoughts into this bunch. One thing I like to note on House, is that I don't think he wants to bring back the old world, as in the old America. He clearly has a disdain for it actually, and that job is filled in by the Enclave. No, he wants New Vegas to be a little snowglobe version of the Old Las Vegas. I live in Vegas, have my whole life and I can tell you, we have different view on the world than the rest of America, as many cities do. We don't care about war. We don't care about politics really all that much. We care about business, gambling, and our image. House exemplifies everything we believe in really, he reminds me of our old mayor. Our current mayor is our old mayor's wife, that's how much we liked him~ Anyway, but New Vegas to him will be a shining oasis in the desert.
Onto the courier's role. IMO, if the courier weren't around, I believe House would of been the ending that came to be most likely to occur. While the courier is needed, our job can really be filled by almost anyone. Other than wiping out the Brotherhood, a lot of what house wants can be filled in by almost anyone. Both the legion and NCR would still be in a stalemate, but house would have the tools to tip it to anyone's favor. It would probably be more of a rough ending mind you, not having the army under the fort probably, but with the right position, and a little robo-steroid shot for the NCR, defeating the legion, or even just pushing them back would give him the opportunity to gain it.
Onto what he offers New Vegas over the others. He honestly offers more freedom than the NCR and Legion, and protection. The NCR doesn't really protect, they annex. New Vegas would be much the same as before, probably more like Reno. The Families would have no higher boss to keep them in line, the White Glove would eat people, the Omertas would likely start a war with the others for power, and the Chairmen would be boring probably. But the man knows business, and he knows innovation. All the machines he has are assuredly built by himself. Every robot, even the precious (to bethesda) Liberty Prime was built by him. I don't doubt the man could get the resources to start innovating in technology again. His goals may be far stretched, but he has literally made a business empire in the past before. Also, remember REPCONN was bought by Robco, so the man clearly has the data he needs to at least start Rocket construction, and the facilities exist to build them just west of Novac. All he has to do is reclaim them and eventually get the resources imported to fix it up. Unreasonable? Probably? Impossible? Definitely not, especially if you give it time, and this man clearly has all the time in the world.
Now mind you, I'm a little bias for House. I love the Vegas image he wants, and sort of have always disliked california ideology from the NCR.
Onto the courier's role. IMO, if the courier weren't around, I believe House would of been the ending that came to be most likely to occur. While the courier is needed, our job can really be filled by almost anyone. Other than wiping out the Brotherhood, a lot of what house wants can be filled in by almost anyone. Both the legion and NCR would still be in a stalemate, but house would have the tools to tip it to anyone's favor. It would probably be more of a rough ending mind you, not having the army under the fort probably, but with the right position, and a little robo-steroid shot for the NCR, defeating the legion, or even just pushing them back would give him the opportunity to gain it.
Onto what he offers New Vegas over the others. He honestly offers more freedom than the NCR and Legion, and protection. The NCR doesn't really protect, they annex. New Vegas would be much the same as before, probably more like Reno. The Families would have no higher boss to keep them in line, the White Glove would eat people, the Omertas would likely start a war with the others for power, and the Chairmen would be boring probably. But the man knows business, and he knows innovation. All the machines he has are assuredly built by himself. Every robot, even the precious (to bethesda) Liberty Prime was built by him. I don't doubt the man could get the resources to start innovating in technology again. His goals may be far stretched, but he has literally made a business empire in the past before. Also, remember REPCONN was bought by Robco, so the man clearly has the data he needs to at least start Rocket construction, and the facilities exist to build them just west of Novac. All he has to do is reclaim them and eventually get the resources imported to fix it up. Unreasonable? Probably? Impossible? Definitely not, especially if you give it time, and this man clearly has all the time in the world.
Now mind you, I'm a little bias for House. I love the Vegas image he wants, and sort of have always disliked california ideology from the NCR.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Except... he's not offering protection. Freeside and Westside much?
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
Maybe using all the money to fund research into synthesize-able metals? Power armor was made of 'poly-laminate composite', something that wasn't talked about much in the Fallout universe. And then there's also the land beyond Zion, and whatever riches it concealed. We don't know yet if space-travels will take that much of resources
Oh, and also there's the Pitt and its' steel, which shouldn't be too far from reach for Mr. House when he manage to get the train up and working again.
Yeah, just last night when you brought up his obituaries I read that and...... man, it's weird. My very first playthrough I went for Independence just for the lulz, and I didn't read that last part when I killed him. At least that part of him wasn't really obvious and doesn't affect his professionalism.
You know, human always find something to fight over. The Great War happened because of lack of resources. We know that, thanks to microfusion tech, that shouldn't be a problem anymore. Mr. House must have realized that too. However, there's always some other problem that might ended up as another Great War. Like, over-population, or anything that might lead to another Great War. House is from pre-war, he had learned a lot of lesson from observing why humanity ends up fighting. Hence war, war never changes. Should another problem arises, and that threatens to destroy the civilization he help rebuilt, he will be like, "Hey, there's no need for all this fighting, there's a plenty of opportunity up there among the stars!".
The Great War maybe didn't really destroyed the world to the point of uninhabitable, but with the price of utilizing plasma-based resources, comes another risk of that being used for war. Even in real life, nuclear-based energy is still a controversial thing (at least, in my country). Although off-topic, Underrail showed that the Earth rendered completely uninhabitable is a possibility, and that might happen in Fallout universe. This might be really a stretch, too, but I think Mr. House also included that possibility in his calculation.
He's offering a chance to reform and rehab, a chance to begin again. Freeside is the result of those who didn't agree to work with Mr. House, and the reason why there's not much protection there and in Westside is because he only had a handful of Securitrons to watch over the Strip, due to the stalemate between him, the NCR, and the Legion.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Oh please! No he's not, also Fireside is the result of people he didn't like. Not many businesses in Freeside hate or dislike Mr House, in fact some want 'in' as it were. In fact, nothing changes even with Mr House in charge. Also, you think he runs the strip? Apart from running an extortion racket (seriously, all you House fans have to realise that he's extorting not guiding the casino's) he doesn't do anything. Westside can be protected easily if he diverted his wealth (DUNN-DUN-DUNNNN) to hire mercenaries or guards to protect it. We already know he's loaded from 'taxes' and exorbitant entry fees.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
Yes he could help Freeside and Westside but at the moment he has bigger things on his plate, namely an imperialist democratic military and a barbarian legion. If he could spend his wealth on anything other than keeping the families in line, the NCR happy and, finding the chip I'm sure he would. Additionally I'm absolutely fucking certain that he'll annex Freeside at some point (after all he's all about restoring Vegas to its former glory, not just the strip) and, that'll improve life there I assume.
House has to get his shit together sure but once he does he'll be in a position to fix fucking everything! And, if that fails to sway you then there's always the Courier, House can fix Vegas while the Courier fixes the Mojave.
House has to get his shit together sure but once he does he'll be in a position to fix fucking everything! And, if that fails to sway you then there's always the Courier, House can fix Vegas while the Courier fixes the Mojave.
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
Wut
In 2274, New California Republic (NCR) scouts arrived at Hoover Dam, piquing House's interest. These were no tribals, these were civilized people - somewhere, out in the wastes, a new society had begun. A society that would no doubt see Las Vegas and its power source, the Dam, as theirs for the taking. House's Securitrons finally emerged from the Lucky 38, offering an ultimatum to the raider tribes settled on the Strip: join House and be part of his New Vegas, leave the Strip, or die. Three tribes accepted his offer, the Chairmen, the Omertasand the White Glove Society, becoming known as the Three Families. Only the Kings and the Great Khans refused, with the Kings settling in Freeside while the Great Khans were exiled to Bitter Springs. The Three Families, as well as the Securitrons, would be enough to protect the Strip for now, but if the NCR tried to take it by force they would not be able to resist in any meaningful way.
I never said he's 'guiding' the casinos. He only reformed the Three Families, and then just let them do their work in the casinos. Besides, how could the Strip become possible, if not for Mr. House? Mr. House practically owned the Strip, thanks to the fact that it was him who reformed the Three Families, and it was him who owned the Securitrons.
And again, he needed to focus all those wealth into recovering the Platinum Chip. That's the most important at the moment. Hence why he can't do much for Westside and the rest of Outer Vegas.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Wow, I never knew that the Kings were the only inhabitants of Freeside! See the flaw there? So actually it's more realistic that the people living there want in and had no choice in being kicked out and left out.
So... Mr House is a genius... by extorting people. Don't the Legion do that better? The Strip isn't everything. I get the feeling people would have preferred security and welfare. So? The Queen practically owns Britain, doesn't do shit. And then left them to actually do EVERYTHING, hmm yeah but they run on an automated law system meaning he doesn't do anything with them.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
He provides a police force and, infrastructure. Not to mention the NCR would have rolled over Vegas if it weren't for House.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Police force? Humans can do that just as well. Infrastructure? How?
So?
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
The tribes never would have organised into a police force, if the white gloves tried they would've ended up eating peeps, if the Omertas did then Vegas would just be Reno 2: Electric Boogaloo and, if the Chairmen tried it would've been boring as shit.
Do you think Vegas would be as developed as it is if it weren't for House (and without NCR)? No electricity, no law, no casinos, no economy, no running water and, no fucking city, the people have House to thank for that.
Do you think Vegas would be as developed as it is if it weren't for House (and without NCR)? No electricity, no law, no casinos, no economy, no running water and, no fucking city, the people have House to thank for that.
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
There was also the Great Khans there. Many people lived in the ruins of Vegas as tribals. Only the 3 biggest actually accepted Mr. House's offering to reform. The Great Khans were exiled to Bitter Springs for whatever reason, and the Kings probably another biggest gang to refused Mr. House's offer were shoved to Freeside. The rest of the local? Probably smaller tribals who tried to 'reform' themselves in a vain attempt to finally get accepted back into the Strip.
And that 2000 caps extortion has already been explained. Not just anybody should wander around the Strip so freely. They gotta pay the toll to prove they've got enough money to be spend in the Strip, or they gotta go away. No matter how many riches anybody have in their pocket, Mr. House only take a flat 2000 caps from each individual. The rest of the money circulate through the casinos, and whoever trade with those casinos. The Strip isn't everything, yes, but it was one quick easy way to get money to fund Mr. House's goal.
Also, the situation in Freeside and Westside were mostly similar to that of Primm. Why do the NCR not bring the law to Primm, anyway? Because they don't have enough man to do it. Is money a problem for them? Of course not! But they need more men. And so does Mr. House, he doesn't have enough Securitrons to secure Freeside and Westside, and he currently have to focus all those money to recover the Platinum Chip, which in turn allow him to have more and better Securitrons.
Doomfullord
The Lord Full of Doom
House I think provides something special to the strip. A vision and direction. He doesn't just provide law, which the NCR could provide, he provides ideas, and direction. Also, while anyone can technically create infrastructure and police, it still takes initiative, which House has taken, planned out, and is gathering the resources to enforce.
Also, honestly I do feel House just doesn't care about Freeside and Westside mostly. They don't benefit him, at least in his mind, and it'd take too much time and energy to really do anything with them. Though, Freeside really should be spruced up so people can get to New Vegas actually. The man is very goal orientated, he knows what he wants and he goes towards it.
Also, honestly I do feel House just doesn't care about Freeside and Westside mostly. They don't benefit him, at least in his mind, and it'd take too much time and energy to really do anything with them. Though, Freeside really should be spruced up so people can get to New Vegas actually. The man is very goal orientated, he knows what he wants and he goes towards it.