Writing an article about the evolution of warfare

keyser Soeze

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Hello!

As the subject said im gonna make an article about how different aspects of warfare have changed in the last 50-60 years.

The main focus is probably lie in that corporations is more and more involved in todays conflicts, what effects this have on so on.

Any links to any info that could be of help would be appreciated!

Thx!
 
Corporations have been involved in conflicts since they first formed. It's nothing new. Wether told to, or telling to, is a whole other agenda, however.
 
I think the most vital change is in the degree of asymetricality that warfare has taken. Massively powerful armies with weapons systems capable of destroying any conventional foe against untrained insurgents with thirty-year old hand me downs from the former Soviet Union.
 
Hell, Metal Storm Industries perfected the gun that can fire a million rounds without any moving parts thanks to electrical send off.

Hell, I think the automated weapons maybe the next big threat after we pound the Insurgents and terrorists into the ground.
 
Pale Horse said:
Corporations have been involved in conflicts since they first formed. It's nothing new. Wether told to, or telling to, is a whole other agenda, however.

True, but still that was a different form of beast. If you want to talk about the East India Companies that regularly went to war, or even your different mercenaries companies- (compare that to the companies that worked in the Italian City States). You can also find private military contractors (as in China or Japan) and even some private mercenaries- as in Southern Africa, but by and large the day of private militaries was coming to an end. You can look at Janice Thomson’s Pirates, Mercenaries and Sovereigns for a discussion of why that happened.

Thing is that most of your private military companies now and then, was that through the space of about 100 years, most of your private military companies have reemerged. In some cases that was a result of privatizing and out-sourcing (such as providing logistical support), but in other cases it had more to do with changes in labor and national political control- end of the Cold War led to less superpower involvement in regional civil conflicts, but also led to an increase in labor. Meanwhile, some sovereigns needed private militaries to do things that where a bit sensitive to do- as in the drug war in Columbia or supporting Croatia’s defense.

Lazarus Plus said:
I think the most vital change is in the degree of asymetricality that warfare has taken. Massively powerful armies with weapons systems capable of destroying any conventional foe against untrained insurgents with thirty-year old hand me downs from the former Soviet Union.

Like in Iraq?

Loxley said:
Hmm i wil recomend you this book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/05...f=pd_bbs_1/002-1047035-5479221?_encoding=UTF8
Basically it is a good study of the western way of warfare from the times of the ancient greeks until now. A great thing for anyone interested in history since it talks about every western war and the ways they were fought since the begining.

Another worthwhile and easy read would be Keegans History of Warfare which basically allows you a three part argument about why warfighting has changed throughout human history- and challenges the Clauswitz version.

A more interesting read might be Van Crevald Transformation of War which is perhaps more controversial but I think more interesting for it's controversy.

Personally, I'd have to go with nuclear weapons and decolonization- have changed the nature of warfare- changing how both major powers fight wars while decolonization has meant that many of the wars fought today take place in former colonies with weak or non-functioning governments.
 
DirtyDreamDesigner said:
welsh said:
Meanwhile, some sovereigns needed private militaries... supporting Croatia’s defense.


The what now?

Croatia? Military Professional Resources International-
http://www.mpri.com/site/int_europe.html

MPRI developed a multi-year program to provide leadership and management skills and a personnel management system to the Croatian Armed Forces. The US government approved program began with a survey of the Croatian military training and education, personnel management programs and other functional area recommendations for the Minister of Defense. During the next four years, DTAP was the catalyst for the implementation of professional development courses focused on leadership, management and civil-military relations in a democratic environment. MPRI conducted a pilot program to evaluate the content and conduct of each course, emphasizing the development of qualified Croatian instructors for follow-on presentations and assumption of responsibility for the total programs.

@DDD- You thought I didn't do my homework? This was the basis of a dissertation that I had planned to write and had to give up.
 
Okay, sorry, Welsh, reading
welsh said:
private militaries to do things that where a bit sensitive to do
I, for some reason, foolishly asumed you meant actual foreign private military action during or before the war. My bad. I'm kinda in a hurry now, i'm going to a BBQ, but I'll post more about this tomorow.
 
DirtyDreamDesigner said:
but I'll post more about this tomorow.

Wow, DDD is motivated to make a meaningful post longer than one sentence. Good job Welsh.
 
@DDD- the thing is how far do the hired out military companies do.

Some of them might do things as simple as moving cargo around, or serving meals.

I am not sure how far MPRI went into actual military action. Did they lead troops into the field as "advisors" similar to the Green Berets in Vietnam? I don't know.

But PMCs have been involved in actions abroad. THe most popular cases were those of Executive Outcomes in Sierra Leone, Angola and Papua New Guinea. Are PMCs operating in Colombia in the war against the FARC? I don't know.

I would imagine it would not be that difficult to find out.
 
Thx for the tips guys!

I have some books on the subject already, do you know if there are any good pages on the net that have some info on matters like this?

Im also going to try and focus on what risks that will be conected with todays evolution in warfare.

Something like Eisenhowers speatch about the "Military industrial complex".
How this evolution will continue, and what risks we are facing as a result of it.
 
keyser Soeze said:
Thx for the tips guys!

I have some books on the subject already, do you know if there are any good pages on the net that have some info on matters like this?

My thoughts on that would be that there are painfully few good websites to turn to. IF your university subscribes to infotrac or jstor than you might get something worthwhile.

Internet sources- a lot of that depends on your source and most of the sources are crap. I would look at the books listed above. It's more work but you will write a better paper.

Some of the articles by Crevald and Kegan, for example, might be found in edited volumes.

Im also going to try and focus on what risks that will be conected with todays evolution in warfare.

You will have to identify those trends first.

Something like Eisenhowers speatch about the "Military industrial complex".
How this evolution will continue, and what risks we are facing as a result of it.

The more interesting question might be- what are the consequences of a military industrial complex defined by both merger of entities as well as globalization?

This would challenge prevailing notions of war in which the way war is fought and is used is a consequence of changes in technological innovation, governance, and economies.

One of my students wrote a paper on the international arms trade- my advice on that was to explore how variations in the nature of the international political economy has shaped the economies of arms as well as the frequency and nature of war since 1990s.
 
Okay, first of all y'all need to stop dissin' my spam since it's always first class, yo. :freak:


Second, I got a new internets connection which is hella slow (but cheaper) so by the time it loads I've lost patience so I read through some posts fast, that's why I misinterpreted your post, welsh, once again, I'm sorry. the connection's a bit more stable now, so...


Third, this is a very interesting subject and, if followed through (with more time than I'm prepared to invest in it ATM), can lead to some interesting debate topics. Keyser, here's something for you:

Military Professional Resources Inc., or MPRI, Alexandria employs 160 working and 2000 retired generals, admirals and other officers, including gen. Carl Vuono ret., gen. Crosby Butch Saint, Vietnam veteran Huntington Hardisty, Frederick Koroesen, etc. It has a long standing cooperation with Pentagon and the State Department.

@Welsh: 1994 Croatia requested help in modernising it's army from US and soon after 15 MPRI instructors lead by gen. Richard Griffits were transfered to an army training center outside Zagreb.

A year later the Croatian Army mounted a wildly successful campaign to liberate it's occupied territory. At the time gen. Ante Gotovina was a liaison between MPRI and the army. (Also, at the time there were more four star generals working for MPRI than in the whole of the US Army.)

Like I said, there's plenty more stuff there, but this is it for now as it pertains to the discussion at hand.
 
My thoughts on that would be that there are painfully few good websites to turn to.

Yea, internet should be the place for this kind of info to bloom but instead its just full of porn :roll:


The more interesting question might be- what are the consequences of a military industrial complex defined by both merger of entities as well as globalization?

Yep that is a very good line of questioning and it can be connected with the risk concept belive.

We just read Ulrich Becks - Risk society so i should try and find some connections with his theory.


You will have to identify those trends first.

indeed

Also, at the time there were more four star generals working for MPRI than in the whole of the US Army.

Shiiiit :D
 
Not to be a stickler on this, as it's a little hard to see specifically which slice of this topic you're going for, I just want to impart a bit what a military scholor of the subject once told me about this subject, and the differences in terms of evolution, derailment, and misappropriation.

"Evolution in warfare" is a bit of an illusionary concept when discussing the weaponry, as mankind is inherently barbaric with any kind of weapon they have. "Evolution" would be where mankind realizes that their weapon hurts others, and makes rules regarding their use, writing up fair rules of combat. Flamethrowers, mustard gas, etc. are examples of weaponry that was deemed "uncivilized", and the Geneva Conventions are a good source on this if this helps your topic.

It could be said that nuclear weapons are the ultimate evolution of weaponry, because most civilized people abhor their use, but it was the scholar's opinion that it was due to not being able to get the supplies to make one and use it effectively that has limited the number of warfare nuclear detonations to 2. Or it could have been possible that not even an Islamic fundie is stupid enough to start that kind of warfare, as his ass would literally be glass. As Carlos Mencia said...the terrorists threaten to use nukes and similar...but guess what? We already use them, and if you don't agree, call Japan and they'll put you in contact with a man with five penises and three balls. :D

Derailment is when a corporation influences the govt. (and by proxy, the military) into doing something that would benefit the goals of the company, and misappropriations are how a company illegally acquires civvy contracts at bloated prices and otherwise war profiteers.

I would rather think instead of "evolution" in connection with corporations, I would think another term would better suit it, as "evolution" has progressive connotations to its usage. Corporate war profiteering would be a far better example, at least for the latter years, if you're discussing modern company involvement with getting preferred deals. For a "Pride of America" example, check stateside WWII industries and how women worked in them to help the war effort, as it was a war that the US people could get behind and support, and did so throughout all forms of media.

Speaking of media, do some parallel research on that, as the cartoons then and now are a good example. Media is an industry, and can also be considered a corporation for sake of this topic. Many of the WWII Bugs Bunny and other cartoons have been censored from general public view, which can still be found on eBay and other sources, and many cartoon characters have had some war statements. Mostly, they were censored for political correctness. Now, I wonder if they will censor today's cartoons in about fourty years, when our jokes about the war are similarly ignorantly considered irrelevant and tasteless, or just kind of try to forget it ever happened like with Nam.

About corporate-funded private militaries, well...the best example might be the Sea Organization of the Scrotumtologists, who are deadly with a well-aimed lawsuit. :D Others have given a good example of what goes on with mercs and other organizations, who are thankfully relatively politically unconnected so someone can have an effective operation without too many political restraints.
 
I dunno what degree of complexeness should be presented in your work, what size limit you have to adhere to, but the easiest thing to do imho would be:

- start the analysis with 1945, II WW end and post-war period\
- then analyse the Corean conflict, then USA in Vietnam and USSR in Afganistan, and Falkland with Desert Storm operation in third chapter. Try to isolate and present the differences caused by technological advances, changes in the military service, as well as socio-political situations.
- finish with some opinion on war with terrorism, regular army vs insurgence, Desert Shield operation and current situation in Iraq
 
Well warfare is like a business now. I mean hell, you need a conflict, if not, the weapon contractors and companies will go broke.

The vicious circle of life.
 
Haos

Yepp thats something like what i had in mind. It should only be like 10 pages so its not very big. But due to this the info on those few pages need to be good ;)


Well warfare is like a business now. I mean hell, you need a conflict, if not, the weapon contractors and companies will go broke.

The vicious circle of life.

Yea and a warning was put out like 40 years ago but no one seem to care still.
 
Warnings? No one worries, because in the end, the Mighty Dollar bill and the peity reasons of some nations will override common sense.

People on a whole are good and look out for their neighbor, it is the Politicians who have their own agenda.
 
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