The Non-American Politics Thread

Guys, guys, this isn't The Order where you can just change the topic of the thread willy nilly. You already derailed 2 different threads with this bullshit, do we really need a 3rd? Just let it gooo. With song.

 
Ragemage said:
Guys, guys, this isn't The Order where you can just change the topic of the thread willy nilly. You already derailed 2 different threads with this bullshit, do we really need a 3rd? Just let it gooo. With song.

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I'd say with Europe blowing up every other month from Muslim terrorists it's pretty relevant to the thread topic.
Walpknut said:
Wow, you are just a complete imbecile, your post made me want to throw up. You are so willfully ignorant and hateful...

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...ks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men
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That website is hilarious.
As far as that article goes Muslims have killed more in the past 6months than almost every single one of those put together. Just like how there are extreme Christians that do exists there are moderate Muslims that do exists, I don't deny that. But it's a very small percentage. Again, if Christianity and Islam were equal, the Middle East and Muslim majority countries wouldn't be hellholes of hate and violence, and European (well, before the Muslim invasion) and other Westernized countries would be beheading nonbelievers and throwing gays off the roof. The difference between radical Islam and radical Christianity is that radical Islam is the norm in their respective countries and supported by most Muslims globally. Radical Christianity however, is not approved of by their peers.
 
Well is this better in your eyes?

57% Of Republicans Say Dismantle Constitution And Make Christianity National Religion

And christian motivated violence in the west:

Anti-abortion violence
Is Anders Breivik A ‘Christian Terrorist’?

Ragemage said:
Guys, guys, this isn't The Order where you can just change the topic of the thread willy nilly. You already derailed 2 different threads with this bullshit, do we really need a 3rd? Just let it gooo.
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*shrugs* It's a politics thread, you're not forced to engage in it.
 
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The US military has killed 20 million people around the world since the end of WW2, and that's without counting proxy wars. There have been more civillian deaths from american airstrikes than from Islamic Terrorists. For being someone who orders others to "check the statistics" you seem rather eager to ignore them. Racist shitheads always think they are smart but are scared of actual facts.
 
Walpknut said:
The US military has killed 20 million people around the world since the end of WW2, and that's without counting proxy wars. There have been more civillian deaths from american airstrikes than from Islamic Terrorists. For being someone who orders others to "check the statistics" you seem rather eager to ignore them. Racist shitheads always think they are smart but are scared of actual facts.
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Yes, war is the exact same thing as ramming a plane into an office building full of business people.
 
As questionable as your little graph, where is the source of their poll? By the way, if you want the Bible to become the foundation of your state, there is no other way but to dismantle the constitution, starting with, well, getting rid of Religious freedom. That's my point, we can all pull some statistics out of our ass to support our position. So that's not going to say anything.

"Saying that the majority of a population agrees with a certain course, means NOTHING because the Majority have not been asked, just a few representatives.

There is also a much quoted 'fact' that the majority of statistics are pulled from the air whenever someone quotes a statistic.

But it is believed that most people have never had an independent thought in their own life and so we are 'doomed' since the majority appear to sheeplike to try to think things out for themselves anyway!"
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If you can find out how exactly they came to those results, then please share. Looking at the site itself, there seems to be a circle of nonsence, whereby they use the other branches of the organization to gather information and data, without actually saying how that data is gathered.

In addition, others in the previous threads about Pew and the poll results show that they ask loaded questions of just over 1000 people, but there is no information about how those people are selected or how the questions are put to them.

It seems to be a self-supporting system, "trust us, because we're unbiased and gather the truth" and then this is backed up with "you can trust us because we are the most quoted and utilized 'fact tank' for media".
Just because it is the most used does not make it without bias or corruption.

The title of the thread is what it is. The information is not trustworthy because of the content of the links supplied. The head of this secretive group of "pollsters" is herself an incredibly secretive and suspicious person. Her staff seem to agree that the organization is not exactly a free-thinking and ethical place to work.

The people who work(ed) there even state that their own internal communications are subject to monitoring and clearance before being allowed to progress.

The things mentioned in the OP are, in my opinion, enough of a reason not to trust the data released by this company/charity.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread953064/pg1
 
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At the same time though, by the way you're wording that, you're making it sound like the US is the biggest killer when it comes to slaughtering human beings since WWII. That's entirely incorrect considering Josef Stalin killed upwards of 100 million Russians during his reign of terror, and Mao Zedong killed anywhere from 50 million to 80 million people depending on how you count the famines and official records at the time. Honestly those 2 make Hitler look like a sweet old nun in comparison to the amount of peoples' deaths their reigns caused.

If that's not what you were trying to say and I just misinterpreted, then sorry about this little tangent.
 
Crni Vuk said:
"Facts don't prove anything!"
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Ok.

EDIT: So since in your mind all statistics (although just the ones against your narrative. You have no problem quoting your little "republicans want to eat your children" poll but when I bring facts you go down the "STATS DON'T MATTER" route), how should we form our opinions on anything?
 
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Uh, yes, that's where the graph is coming from, but that's not a source. See a page just posting shit on the internet is not necessarily a source. I could make my own graphs, does that mean I am source? A university for example, with scientists, doing research and publishing it, so it can be verified by other scientists, that could be a credible source.

I am curious how they make their survey, where is the scientific rigor? What questions have they asked? How many people? And whom? Have they asked only american muslims? Or have they actually made polls, with thousands of people in each of the states, how do they come to the conclussion to make accurate statements about more than 1 billion of people.

See, I could make my own poll. Like if am asking 1000 Nazis in Germany about jews, do you think that would be representative of the average German? Or actually a scientific accurate poll? No one here said that Islam is the most peacefull religion ever ... but seriously, think for your self ...

Also, to get this at least somewhat back on track:
 
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Vergil is in full denial mode at this point. Take a break little racist.
Ragemage said:
At the same time though, by the way you're wording that, you're making it sound like the US is the biggest killer when it comes to slaughtering human beings since WWII. That's entirely incorrect considering Josef Stalin killed upwards of 100 million Russians during his reign of terror, and Mao Zedong killed anywhere from 50 million to 80 million people depending on how you count the famines and official records at the time. Honestly those 2 make Hitler look like a sweet old nun in comparison to the amount of peoples' deaths their reigns caused.

If that's not what you were trying to say and I just misinterpreted, then sorry about this little tangent.
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Not at all, the message is in direct response to his rather stupid assesment that "Muslims have killed more in the past 6months than almost every single one of those put together." even tho it's an easily comproblable fact that there have been more civilian deaths from US military strikes than deaths from any Islamic Terrorist. At no point I said "US IS THE TOP KILLER!" neither did I imply China and Russia are angels.
 
So yo uare telling me that you are in fact self aware and that you have been willingly spouting bullshit and that all that racist diarreah of the mouth you have been saying is not the result of ignorance and poor education but a deliverate action to justify your hateful positions? Well, now we know.
 
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