Black Lives Matter

I didn't know that the police force was primarily made up of black people. Or is it that black police officers just go on killing sprees in black neighbourhoods? Cause I don't see how the police is the problem for most of the black folks dying.

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/4yj9OKoQg

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random googling about that

"Black-on-black crime" is a symptom of broader structural inequalities
Since the term emerged in the early 1980s, hysteria over "black-on-black crime," which diagnoses the issue as a broader cultural failing, has obscured the economic and social inequalities that contribute to high crime rates in black neighborhoods.

"Supposedly we saw youth that were going astray and that was the problem," University of Illinois geography professor David Wilson told the Root in 2010. "The media imposed this narrow [black-on-black] lens that looked at the category of culture. The culture was deemed as problematically different than the mainstream."

Black people aren't uniquely predisposed to commit crimes against each other; crime is generally just racially segregated, based on a number of factors, including that most people commit crimes against people they either know or live near. According to the FBI's 2014 Uniform Crime Reports, close to 90 percent of African-American homicides were committed by other African Americans, while the majority (82 percent) of white American homicide victims were killed by other white people.

Another factor that contributes to crime is poverty. A 2014 special report by the Department of Justice found that black and white households that lived in poverty were much more likely to be victims of crime, and were victims of crimes at similar rates (51.3 per 1,000 compared with 56.4 per 1,000, respectively).

Black people are more likely to live in poverty without the resources necessary to get out of it. Redlining practices targeting black communities have deprived entire neighborhoods of their economic viability for generations. A 2015 report by the Century Foundation found that more than one in four African Americans lived in concentrated poverty, in comparison to one in 13 white people.

Meanwhile, white families have six times as much wealth as black families, and the poverty rate for black people (27.2 percent) is almost three times that of their white counterparts (9.6 percent).

Additionally, unemployment is far higher for black people, and always has been — by at least 60 percent since data collection started in 1972. At the end of 2015, the black unemployment rate was 9.5 percent — only slightly less than the national peak (9.9 percent) in 2009. The white unemployment rate was 4.5 percent.

And yet politicians and government officials have advocated for community policing programs to curb crime, despite a lack of evidence demonstrating that it effectively does so. In September 2015, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced that the Department of Justice would provide $12 million for these programs.

In fact, racist policing can exacerbate these issues. Some departments try to turn a profit by ticketing, which tends to exploit racially biased policing practices. The Department of Justice’s report on Ferguson, Missouri, showed high incarceration rates there, because residents often could not afford to pay the fines incurred from ticketing they disproportionately faced. And a panel of New York police officers recently admitted they often target the most vulnerable — poor people, people of color, and LGBTQ people — to meet quotas.

Violence within black communities and the overpolicing of black people are linked. But if an honest conversation is going to be had about either topic, especially in light of the latest officer-involved fatal shootings of black people, it needs to based on the fact that "black-on-black crime" is not simply black people's making.

and by the way, no one said that most blacks were killed by police, that would be genocide and i'm sure we would notice
 
Tragos114 said:
"Black-on-black crime" is a symptom of broader structural inequalities
Since the term emerged in the early 1980s, hysteria over "black-on-black crime," which diagnoses the issue as a broader cultural failing, has obscured the economic and social inequalities that contribute to high crime rates in black neighborhoods.
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More absolving of personal responsibility or agency.
Tragos114 said:
But if an honest conversation is going to be had about either topic, especially in light of the latest officer-involved fatal shootings of black people, it needs to based on the fact that "black-on-black crime" is not simply black people's making.
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Whenever I hear "have a honest conversation" it is never about how it is Black people fault. Is that what is a honest conversation should be? Ignoring the numbers?
 
Apparently, an honest conversation should be one-sided.

Yes, when a Black person does a crime, it is his fault.
 
@Tragos114
Mind sourcing that quote you got there?

And besides, you're the one going around saying blacks are being gunned down and that you're fully in support of Black Lives Matter which are pretty damn vocal about how much they prioritize police violence against black folks. And as far as I can see from that statistic right there, black people have twice as high a percentage of killing whites. So if the problem of that measly 7.6% is cause of police gunning blacks down then what the fuck is going on with the blacks killing whites' 14.8%?
 
Just a few decades ago blacks didn't have full human rights in USA. They weren't basically considered humans. A lot of US blacks alive today experienced all that stuff first hand. KKK still exists and seems to be gaining strenght and popularity with Trump. Etc.
 
I think conflating Mississippi in the '50s to the nation as a whole is about as insightful as conflating '30s Germany with Europe as a whole. Not very.
 
MutantScalper said:
Are you insuniating that any part of the American continents is 'normal' today?
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Not even sure what that means. If anything I'm trying to express that narrowly focusing on the worst case scenario of a very complicated and multifaceted issue in a very diverse lanscape doesn't really give you a comprehensive understanding of an issue.
 
I fucking hate most cultures, not because I'm bigoted, but simply because of how backwards and stupid they are (yes, I hate my own country's culture too...).

*Black people in the streets shooting each other like a bunch of fuckwits*

BLM: "Its the cop's/whites fault!"

People: "Please ghetto trash, please stop shooting each other!"

BLM: "BLACK CULTURE BEST CULTURE".
 
What I really love is how suddenly ALL the problems people have either with black people or black culture or what ever, are projected on BLM now.

Every black riot. BLM!
Every black dude saying racist shit. BLM!
Random acts of violence by black people. BLM!

Everything, on both sides, is suddenly about race and skin colour or what ever.

CaptJ said:
Apparently, an honest conversation should be one-sided.

Yes, when a Black person does a crime, it is his fault.
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Shouldn't you say, when any person does a crime, it is his fault?
 
Crni Vuk said:
Shouldn't you say, when any person does a crime, it is his fault?
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Yes but the statement that Black on Black crime isn't Black people's fault implies that Black people are somehow exempted from this basic rule which I believe is false.

Crni Vuk said:
Every black riot. BLM!
Every black dude saying racist shit. BLM!
Random acts of violence by black people. BLM!
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Maybe when people stop digging up the KKK. Also, when is BLM accountable for anything? When they all merge together into single giant blob of flesh?
 
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Tiny Tim said:
If you browse on youtube, you'll see clips of murders. I don't wanna link any right now, because it's pretty depressing, but i've seen 2 or 3 and i'm sure there are many more. These are just the ones that have been caught on camera and haven't been reported, so a tiny minority of the actual killings.

"but you don't know the context " " they should had simply said i surrender" etc

to ignore the fact that racism and killings of blacks is a thing, you have to accept this alternative fact as well:

that blacks are rioting for no reason. That they don't really have a problem. That they looking for " excuses for riots " as you put it. So that's what you do.
But it's not very convincing, is it? I mean, what is wrong with them? Their genes or something?
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This is like Hannibal Buress levels of logic. Somehow, the anecdotal cherry-picking of evidence is more representative than statistics (providing a bigger picture) conducted on the matter.

If I went to liveleak and started looking for evidence that "all black people are violent thugs," and started linking a bunch of videos showing such, would we be coming to the conclusion that "all black people are thugs,: or that I have confirmation bias?
 
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