Crni Vuk said:
Fair enough I guess, but the role super powers (not just the US mind you) play in such a situation shouldn't be forgoten either. I mean let us be fair the US has meddled a lot in South American politics out of fear from a Soviet dominance which never happend, infact the Sovets had very little interest in South America at that point. But the Soviets made the same mistakes in some African states. So while they are not the source of the coruption and all the issues, they sure have done a lot to exploit the situation.
And this is exactly what I am talking about. If the superpowers would stop fucking with eachother using the smaller nations as proxies, a lot of damage could have been avoided. If Putin would think about the greater good instead of adding an extra insignificant 3 inches to his cock, a lot of folks in Ukraine would not be dead. But no, Putin wants a Russia that would be strong like old soviet union.
Gonzalez said:
Just to give one example, my country had to pass a law for Argnetine movies not to be withdrawn from theathers much earlier than hollywood ones, even when national films did better at the box office than its US counterparts, just because the companies that ran the theatres had ties with hollywood.
Agreed that sucks, but its not necesarily an american secret attempt to brainwash argentinians either. Those companies can be boycotted and shut down as well. Argentinians can just stop seeing movies from those theatres. Unless we got some kind of conspiracy type thing where America says it will drop bombs or something if that happens.
Crni Vuk said:
bombs, drones, military bases/troops deployed all around the world and the economical and political preassure on their nations that is really making people angry
It depends on the nation and what happened. Cuba, Vietnam, Iran for example have all had bad relations with the U.S. All three countries chose the wrong side and they lost. Shit happens. The PRC chose right, so they don't have as much bullshit thrown their way. Its politics and human nature, any change to something like that requires the 'vanquished', so to speak, to make genuine attempts at reconcilliation. Whats the point of having allies when its ok to switch allegiances on the fly whenever it suits a nations purpose. Taiwan, Japan, the Saudis, S. Korea, those nations have historically been U.S. allies and have reaped the benefits. The ME on the other hand is a bit more complex. We have commiments to our saudi allies, who, happen to be Sunnis. Their friends also happen to be majority sunnis. Does that mean we might use our military to influence things slightly in their favor? Sure. It also doesn't help that another major player in the region who happens to threaten death to america and israel on a daily basis is Shia, a competitor to our sunni allies. As explained above, this exactly how and why alliances are sought after in the first damned place. However, its not too late to change, but wait, oh yeah, this leads to the next part.
Crni Vuk said:
Seriously, whats up with this? Co-operation and open dialogue is somehow equated to some kind of brutal assfucking? Is the PRC being brutally assfucked right now? Again, what about the U.S. allies I have stated above? However, when a nation continually threatens another with being wiped from the earth, its natural that said nation making such statements would not be getting good responses (Iran).
Gonzalez said:
I think americans have a big misconception of themselves, they think they spread democracy and american way of life trough the world, and the truth is that they exploit under developed countries to support their own way of life. Rather than spreading the wealth they keep it for themselves, and then they have to build walls around them to keep people from the same under developed nations they exploit from entering their nation and having acces to the same way of life they are so proud of.
This is sounding alarmingly like some bleeding heart liberal rant but I am giving benefit of doubt. Immigration is not a simple issue but applying to immigrate to any nation, like the U.S., is never easy. Why you ask, because people like coming here (and please don't say its more american boasting because we do have a lot of immigrants and yes, they came here because of the possibilites). Should we just throw caution to the fucking wind and just open the floodgates without any type of regulatory system in place? The negativity about illegal immigration is not so much about racism, as the liberals would have you believe. Its about making sure a system works. Before folks can come into this country, they need to have a sponsor. This is because most immigrants need time to settle down, need financial assistance as they look for a job in their new home nation. They need folks who can translate and offer services lest they be taken advantage of by the shadier aspects of society. This takes TIME.
Second, a lot of americans do not believe its ok to shove their culture onto others. However, there will be biases. Women for example, used to freedom in the united states, are not going to be very fucking happy about our country giving aid to another nation that oppresses their women. Now does it happen in the case of the saudis? Yes. But that is because the saudis have been one of the first islamic nations that were ok with co-operating with the U.S. Doesn't this serve as a shining example that we value our allies, even though they sometimes might have traditions that are alien to our own? We in the U.S., really hate bible thumping morons who believe their religion is the only good one and everyone elses sucks. Catholicism is just one example of religions drop in importance to the average american because of its backwardass way of thinking and in-ability to adapt. Lots of other denominations as well have had to change with the times because its only natural in such a information rich world. Same with another thing called sexual preferance in this country. Intolerance to homosexuality iss slowly given way to a more enlightened way of thinking. The 'gays', also pay taxes and they too have an idea of who their countries gives support too.
Has there been exploitation, a resounding YES. But how long are we going to beat a dead horse here? Hugo Chavez took an injustice that happened in the past and used it to deflect suggestions that he simply did not fulfill his promises. Mao once called the U.S. a worthless paper tiger. Mao probably said alot of other bad shit about the united states and vice versa as well. But the thing is, the chinese leadsership saw which directon the wind was blowing and hitched a ride instead of getting knocked the fuck down. Is it so much to ask the same for some other nations who are clearly hostile to the US?
