Death of a Hobby.

Let us try to stop the bethesda talk in this thread because i feel like it is sort of missing the point.


That point being as discombobulated as it may seem is, It is becoming more rare for deep and meaningful games to be released, while really bad or disappointing ones are being released yearly often implementing horrible consumer practices like day one dlcs, microtransactions, or contrived and force agendas that don't off really well as they're done poorly.
 
TransgenderVaultDeweller said:
Let us try to stop the bethesda talk in this thread because i feel like it is sort of missing the point.


That point being as discombobulated as it may seem is, It is becoming more rare for deep and meaningful games to be released, while really bad or disappointing ones are being released yearly often implementing horrible consumer practices like day one dlcs, microtransactions, or contrived and force agendas that don't off really well as they're done poorly.
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I second this. Mass Effect, for all its simplifications and flaws remains one of my favourite game series of all time. But Mass Effect 3's From the Ashes was a joke- most of it was still on disc ffs. At least they did damage control with the ending.

I'm sticking to smaller independent studios/devs until Dishonored 2. I can only hope that it's good.
 
Personally I shall just resolve to keep fucking the good ol games (Gothic II, Kotor II, planescape Torment, Fallout New Vegas, Spec Ops the line) until I cum dust
 
TransgenderVaultDeweller said:
Also, how does it feel to know younger generations are going to grow up and associate games with just grindy wacky crazy paywalls with micro-transactions everywhere?
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I think only ~68% of young people would associate games with whack-a-mole concept typical for AAA studios, since that's how many people with average IQ (85-115) you'll find in any generation:

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Those ~15% of people with IQ above 115 would quickly find that majority of AAA developers can't satisfy their hunger for intellectually challenging games and they'll start searching for smaller niche market producing something different.
 
CaptJ said:
It has 4,778 Likes and 10,621 Dislikes that is 69% dislikes. The reason? It got 9/10. Not because it was too high but because it was too low.
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Yeah man ... I hear yah ... this is a whole thing that deserves a topic on its own really. I have yet to see a medium which has so many toxic followers like gaming. And I mean this in general, you can take movies, music, books, cars what ever. You have some die hard fans there, sure that will kill you when you even dare to say something bad about metal or a Benz or a particular movie. But with games, you have this in general. The fact that it is so easy these days to get gamers to buy every schlock, doesn't help either. I mean see at No Mans Sky as the most recent example. But it is by far not the only one.
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
And yet people still believe Skyrim is superior.
(Not going to link it, I'd rather not spread the stupidity)

Stupid people are the reason the gaming industry is what it is today, not the publishers. So long as stupid people play games, publishers will appeal to them and feed off of them.
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Over the course of my extreme surfing the last few days (I had literally been playing TW3 for 3 months straight, barely even accessed the internet.), I found people who put F4 and TW3 on the same level, and some even say it's better. Needless to say, I noped out of there and crawled back into my TW3 rock.

Someone even compared the dialogue system of both and said they are equal. They might have the same shortening thingy, but at least you have a fucking idea what Geralt is going to say.
 
Mohamed2001 said:
Over the course of my extreme surfing the last few days (I had literally been playing TW3 for 3 months straight, barely even accessed the internet.), I found people who put F4 and TW3 on the same level, and some even say it's better. Needless to say, I noped out of there and crawled back into my TW3 rock.

Someone even compared the dialogue system of both and said they are equal. They might have the same shortening thingy, but at least you have a fucking idea what Geralt is going to say.
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Are you still playing it at 6 fps? Could you make a gif of that?
 
TransgenderVaultDeweller said:
So, I'm in the mood to shed some old school love and shit on the state of the industry now. So, I was thinking about my time playing planescape torment, from beginning to end. And *SPOILERS AHEAD* The fortress of regret was really a huge climax and place of revelation, The ambiance, the soundtrack, the phenomenal game design and the pacing added to a final show down with the transcended one. Here, I'll link it here. The voice acting in the game is fucking great and has some well known voice actors and actresses, Such as Jinnefier hale, Tony Jay and Keith David.

(Snippit of Fortress of regret with the transcended One confrontation.)




Everything about it is bone chilling and in a good way, So many ways to solve the ending and it doesn't treat you like an idiot. Furthermore, It opens the game to new runs with different builds that allow you to see and feel things differently. Great stuff. However, i didn't just make this thread to praise torment's phenomenally well built story. I also made it to talk about the modern games industry and how far away we were from the late 1999s and the time of good games. While, great and amazing games were and still do come. Its too far inbetween and aren't as big as lets say call of duty. Now a days, it isn't about the art rather then it is about nickle and dimeing the consumer with horrid business practice like the day one DLC Ashe To Ashes. A mass effect 3 dlc that pretty much was ripped straight from the disk and placed behind a paywall that can only be entirely enjoyed if you spend more money ontop of the 60$ you already paid for. Nevermind just that. Some games just are total shit to begin with and are made my lazy insipid designers that ruin games but for some reason amassed the DUMBEST fan base in the series that alienated another fanbase. *cough*. Or just shove real life agendas down our throat with the most cringe worthy things that has the subtly of a sledge hammer meeting a wall. The characters have no depth and are meaningless behind seeming arbitary things that don't even really define the character so much as their actions and words. Or they do have something to define that character but it is lacking in one department because they choose to focus on another aspect.






I guess, What i'm trying to say is, How are you guys handling the fact such masterpieces aren't being made as they were years ago? What will you do when the video games industry crashes? Also, how does it feel to know younger generations are going to grow up and associate games with just grindy wacky crazy paywalls with micro-transactions everywhere?
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I'll be honest, I'm not taking the current state of the gaming industry well. I've pretty much given up on playing video games for the sake of other pursuits such as drinking and lifting weights. It's not the adulthood I expected, but it's the only one I've got, god damn it.
 
Crni Vuk said:
I think to remember, that in Bioschock 1 you would actually not lose anything by rescuing the little Sisters, because if you rescued all of them - which you should anyway, they will provide you with some extra goodies, which gives you the same amount of Adam as like when you kill them.
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The paper says you wouldn't know that you would get the rewards until later. The Paper thinks people won't expect bad things to happen from killing the Little Sisters. This guy doesn't think that people would expect something like a bad ending from doing something clearly evil.

valcik said:
I think only ~68% of young people would associate games with whack-a-mole concept typical for AAA studios, since that's how many people with average IQ (85-115) you'll find in any generation:

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Those ~15% of people with IQ above 115 would quickly find that majority of AAA developers can't satisfy their hunger for intellectually challenging games and they'll start searching for smaller niche market producing something different.
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I hate to rain on your parade but smart people aren't necessarily going to enjoy good games much less find them. They just come to the conclusion that video games are stupid.

This is a video of elderly people playing the Last of Us.

Try to guess why they enjoyed this. Hint: It isn't because of the gameplay.

Then you have this,
http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/video-games-can-never-be-art
In this article, Kellee Santiago gave three games to Roger Ebert to play in order to make the case that video games can be art:
  1. Waco Resurrection
  2. Braid
  3. Flower
Let me ask why did she picked these games. These are terrible choices to give him.

http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/okay-kids-play-on-my-lawn
Eventually, Roger Ebert decided that he doesn't really understand video games enough to give a good answer. He said that Shadow of the Colossus came the closest. From the sound of it, he just wants to stop being bother by these approval seeking morons.

At least, he didn't die being some stupid mouth piece...
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This is probably why people waste money making barely interactive movies.

Crossfire said:
I'll be honest, I'm not taking the current state of the gaming industry well. I've pretty much given up on playing video games for the sake of other pursuits such as drinking and lifting weights. It's not the adulthood I expected, but it's the only one I've got, god damn it.
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Drinking alcohol isn't exactly a hobby.
 
@CaptJ I believe video games are art.
But holy hell these fuckers using Roger's death as a way to 'prove' that video games are art, are just inconsiderate fuckers.

And Bioshock Infinite? I liked the game (7.5/10), but a lot of content was cut and it is one of the most overrated games of the 2010s. It's the type of game that normies can play and feel better about themselves and pretend that they have amazing taste in games. A good game blown way out of proportion.
 
I didn't even like Bioshock 1 because it was a dumb down, linear, handholding, pretentious piece of shit. And people said that Bioshock Infinite was a dumb down, linear, handholding, pretentious downgrade from Bioshock 1.

I have quirk which I would only use a 1-5 scale and only whole numbers. Metacritic is terrible but people want this. We can't go back.
 
CaptJ said:
I didn't even like Bioshock 1 because it was a dumb down, linear, handholding, pretentious piece of shit. And people said that Bioshock Infinite was a dumb down, linear, handholding, pretentious downgrade from Bioshock 1.

I have quirk which I would only use a 1-5 scale and only whole numbers. Metacritic is terrible but people want this. We can't go back.
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I'd give it an 8/10. It might seem hypocritical for me to praise the "atmosphere" of the game but I loved it and the entire journey. I loved the would you kindly revelation but it might just be nostalgia. Hated the binary endings. Bioshock 2 also an 8/10, good gameplay and story. I'm really generous to them, I know, but I really enjoyed them as well. Are they modern masterpieces of the gaming industry? No. Are they good games? I think they're really good.
 
I have thought about my gaming hobby for years now. The conclusion I reached was that it is not dead for me, what is dead for me is the AAA gaming industry. It has been dead since around Skyrim came out. I used to love TES games but then I got Skyrim and played it and just died inside... It had finally become so watered down that I couldn't consider it a RPG anymore, even with me trying to like the game and playing it every year I couldn't get any pleasure from it... These days I still try to play it and I juts can't even play more than 30 minutes, then i just turn off the game and leave it installed for a few weeks and then just delete it... I want to like it but I just can't, no matter if I play with mods, vanilla, total overhauls, etc. it is just not an engaging or interesting game for me.
After that I considered most of my gaming franchises dead, so I would have to abandon the AAA games, they killed what I loved and I will not forgive them.
Now I mostly just browse Steam store and GOG.com and see what indie games appear there from time to time and check them out. I really am not interested in "Big Games" anymore because they are all watered whiskey while I prefer pure vodka...

Indie games can sometimes still be a good surprise and those I will gladly support with my wallet, big companies will only get my money if they release something I will enjoy and only after I am sure I will enjoy it (I never pre-order or support games before they are finished and only after they are released for a while, so I can check some gameplay videos and stuff about them).

My hobby is still alive, just in life support for most of the time.
 
CaptJ said:
.. smart people aren't necessarily going to enjoy good games much less find them. They just come to the conclusion that video games are stupid.
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I disagree, this is the same argument as saying that smart reader reading bad book would come to conclusion that books are stupid. Nope, smart reader would put bad book away and choose different genre or author instead.

Also, Roger Ebert contemplating about games being or not being a piece of art has nothing to do with this. Any game can be rich in content, i.e. with good writing, with intellectually challenging puzzles, or with complex and deep rule set, without being considered to be art. Game has to properly stimulate your cognitive functions in order to be fun, it doesn't need to be a piece of art. The more intelligent player, the more stimulative and complex the game has to be. (Not only video game, the same goes for board games, cards or chess, mind you.)
 
It is a question that is tiresome and honestly I think some people don't understand it really. Is gaming an art-form? How can that be even a question for some. You wouldn't see someone seriously discussing if movie making or photography is an artform, because they are. So is making games a form of art? Sure. It has matured far enough to be one. But is EVERY game art? I would say, no, just as how not EVERY movie or EVERY book or EVERY photo is art. This has to be decided from cases to case.
 
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