Fakenews website Screenrant lies about Fallout

[Norzan]

It feels like they say that as if the games would have been just like Bethesda Fallout if it weren't for this limiting tech. I doubt people will look back at Fallout 3 and say the same thing. Which is now 13 years old. Older than Fallout 1 was when Fallout 3 released. Not a lot of people are going to adore Fallout 5 and look back at Fallout 3 and say, "Yeah, it's good if you can get past how outdated it is." These people don't mean outdated or limited by technological advancement. They mean they don't like turn based games and/or anything that isn't real-time action.

I'm pretty sure Interplay could have made FalloutDoom in 1997 if they wanted it. And in terms of scope, Daggerfall was a thing by then, so yeah.

They were more interested in making a RPG and not a FPS dungeon crawler with light RPG elements.

It's just these morons can't just say they don't like turn based, or for another example tank controls with fixed camera angles a la Resident Evil games before 4. They just have to throw the word outdated without explaining why.

But of course, Bethesda fanboys aren't gonna say Fallout 3 is outdated, because FPS means it's current regardless of quality to them. Ignoring the argument that Fallout 3 was already dated back at release because it played worse than 90s FPS games.

 

[Hardboiled Android]

I'm pretty sure Interplay could have made FalloutDoom in 1997 if they wanted it. And in terms of scope, Daggerfall was a thing by then, so yeah.

 

[megamike15]

I'm pretty sure Interplay could have made FalloutDoom in 1997 if they wanted it. And in terms of scope, Daggerfall was a thing by then, so yeah.

They were more interested in making a RPG and not a FPS dungeon crawler with light RPG elements.

It's just these morons can't just say they don't like turn based, or for another example tank controls with fixed camera angles a la Resident Evil games before 4. They just have to throw the word outdated without explaining why.

But of course, Bethesda fanboys aren't gonna say Fallout 3 is outdated, because FPS means it's current regardless of quality to them. Ignoring the argument that Fallout 3 was already dated back at release because it played worse than 90s FPS games.

there is a clear anti turn based thing going on in the rpg community.

i remember around 2007 a reviewer was like " jrpgs don't need to exist anymore because we have mass effect now."


modern jurnos just want shooters and nothing else as anything slower is deemed old and outdated. it's why they claimed adventure games " died." in the 90's as they were so focused on shit like quake.

 

[Dead Dreamer]

there is a clear anti turn based thing going on in the rpg community.

i remember around 2007 a reviewer was like " jrpgs don't need to exist anymore because we have mass effect now."


modern jurnos just want shooters and nothing else as anything slower is deemed old and outdated. it's why they claimed adventure games " died." in the 90's as they were so focused on shit like quake.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't both be good?

 

[RangerBoo]

there is a clear anti turn based thing going on in the rpg community.

i remember around 2007 a reviewer was like " jrpgs don't need to exist anymore because we have mass effect now."


modern jurnos just want shooters and nothing else as anything slower is deemed old and outdated. it's why they claimed adventure games " died." in the 90's as they were so focused on shit like quake.

Actually, journalists don’t want shooters as they promote “toxic masculinity”. They want games like The Last of Us 2 where it’s about lesbians with daddy issues. Just take out any gameplay and have it be a walking sim where lesbians and transgenders talk about their feelings and you have a gaming journalist dream game.

 

[Iprovidelittlepianos]

I personally don’t think the lazy clickbait side of games journalism has much to do with the insufferable, self righteous, politicized aspect that has been dominating the field. Articles like this screenrant one take several paragraphs/pages to say essentially nothing, only existing as clickbait in the purest form. The left wing journos aren’t about making meaningless clickbait to sell ads, they’re more about writing meaningless essays on why gaming culture is toxic and Nazis are taking over and yadda yadda yadda. Regardless of your feelings on their politics, it at least takes some brainpower to write all that out. Screenrant-style articles have literally no substance to them at all.

 

[SquidWard]

I'm pretty sure Interplay could have made FalloutDoom in 1997 if they wanted it. And in terms of scope, Daggerfall was a thing by then, so yeah.

They were more interested in making a RPG and not a FPS dungeon crawler with light RPG elements.

Yeah, though Cain and Boyarsky did say they thought it would be cool if their game was done in first person back then when they replayed the game on an Obsidian stream. But then they still made Arcanum and ToEE... I mean alongside VTMB but still.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't both be good?

Both sides could be asked this. I have little problem with these action games with RPG elements like New Vegas or Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, etc. I just also appreciate a good turn based RPG. I appreciate a well made game more than any of the specificities of its genre though. Some people can't handle turn based games at all but want to tout how much they love RPGs. Which is fine I guess? It's just weird. RPGs don't have to be turned based I guess but when you go to sit down and play any table top RPG I guarantee you that you won't be bunnyhopping and playing airsoft unless your group is actually LARPing pretty hardcore.

RPGs are to designate that you character has skills not your player. Your player skills are in decision making and in building your character. What your character is actually capable of is supposed to be independent of yourself. Being a FPS takes away a lot of that. What's a gun or energy weapon skill matter if I can't aim worth a shit? Or if I'm a pro? What's a good armor class or dodge stat matter if I can simply leash and walk semicircles around people?

 

[Millim]

A lot of clickbait comes down to the fact that there are so many sites now covering games.
Before the explosion of a lot of them, you'd often have to pick up magazines which, while not exactly 100% critical, at least tried to approach games journalism with some formality.
Even at their lowest, games magazines were, and are still often respected. But now there's an explosion of a lot of gaming sites that, for the most part, need to make clickbait articles to help fund themselves.

You'll often find a lot of the more respected sites will enforce these kind of clickbait articles in order to allow much more respected works on their site. Essentially if you have 10 articles in a week that get the clicks and have either attention grabbing headlines like "We've played the new Doom, and it's amazing" then it'll allow you the numerous articles that not many People read to be funded.

On the web itself, these sites are often competing with independent folks on YouTube who are able to garner an audience mostly because of their personality.
When you watch a Jim Sterling video, you're going for Jim Sterling's take on a subject where they are informing you of the issues at hand.

Then you get smaller sites which post nothing but clickbait and have no value outside of wasting 5 minutes of your life.

Nearly every media outlet has this, I can't seem to find any for music and maybe books books (although I'm not too clued up in the books culture).

So, lesson of the day is... Music is the most respectable art form and nothing you say can convince me otherwise

 

[SquidWard]

Opening a can of sardines is the most respectable art form.

 

[ropetight]

Next time, be sure to use archive.org for link, so these shill cunts don't get their bloody clicks.

 

[Risewild]

Next time, be sure to use archive.org for link, so these shill cunts don't get their bloody clicks.

No need. They don't make money out of people that go to their articles, they make money out of the advertisements they have plastered all over the place.

If you use an ad-blocker (as everyone should), they make no money out of you going to their pages.

 

[ropetight]

No need. They don't make money out of people that go to their articles, they make money out of the advertisements they have plastered all over the place.

If you use an ad-blocker (as everyone should), they make no money out of you going to their pages.

That is true.
Still, they could get something from traffic we generate for them, placing them higher in Trends or whatever.
I know it is not much and nobody knows how search engine algorithms actually work anymore (they became more secretive since SE Bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bombing), but still feels nice not to give them anything.

 

[Risewild]

Still, they could get something from traffic we generate for them, placing them higher in Trends or whatever.

Maybe. Although they would have to get several hundred thousands of unique views for it to start having any impact.

Judging by the number of comments they have (around 40) I have the feeling that even if all the active NMA members + all the active Codex members all went to that article, it wouldn't do anything in relation to increase their article on search browsers. After all, they are in direct competition with big and popular gaming sites, since Fallout is now a mainstream gaming series, every gaming site has tons of articles about Fallout, so this Screenrant article would never compete with those.

To be honest, I had never heard of Screenrant before all of this. They can't be that important.

EDIT: I just checked and they appear in third place in my Google search of "Fallout games ranked" and "Fallout ranked". So I guess they must be important. And since they appear in third place already, I don't think we could stop them from appearing high on Google.

 

[The_Proletarian]

I just checked and they appear in third place in my Google search of "Fallout games ranked" and "Fallout ranked". So I guess they must be important.

What if NMA ranked all the Fallout games?

 

[Naitor295]

Screenrant seems like the type of site that would say that hitler was a good person as clickbait.

 

[Lexx]

there is a clear anti turn based thing going on in the rpg community.

i remember around 2007 a reviewer was like " jrpgs don't need to exist anymore because we have mass effect now."

Pre-Fallout 3 release time was the worst in all of crpg history, imo. The amount of brain fucking garbage written about "why turn based is outdated now" by mainstream media and generic peasants was mind-boggling and just more than borderline retarded. Even thinking back to that time now just makes me want to facepalm non-stop.

It's almost 15 years later and I still want these "gaming journalists" to crash and burn with their dumb blogs and youtube channels.
On the plus side, these people made me realize that game reviews are almost always bullshit and don't help me to decide if a game is worth my time or not. So there is that, I guess.

 

[Atomic Postman]

Pre-Fallout 3 release time was the worst in all of crpg history, imo. The amount of brain fucking garbage written about "why turn based is outdated now" by mainstream media and generic peasants was mind-boggling and just more than borderline retarded. Even thinking back to that time now just makes me want to facepalm non-stop.

It's almost 15 years later and I still want these "gaming journalists" to crash and burn with their dumb blogs and youtube channels.
On the plus side, these people made me realize that game reviews are almost always bullshit and don't help me to decide if a game is worth my time or not. So there is that, I guess.

It reminds me of how in the early 2010s there was a gigantic wave of pseud gaming journos that were pushing that boss fights were too "video gamey" and then Dark Souls got mainstream success and reminded AAA audiences that no, they're still great.

 

[Risewild]

What if NMA ranked all the Fallout games?

That's a great idea.
We should really have some people make an article ranking all the Fallout games.

The problem is how would we do it. Would we have a way for members to post their personal ranks for the games, and then make a ranking article following those ranks, or would we just have someone making an article ranking the games based on their opinion. Would we have only one article made by one person or maybe an article made by several people?

Anyway, this NMA Fallout Rank idea would be a nice thing to bring some new activity to this place.

 

[SquidWard]

If Fallout 1 doesn't get first place, I will personally riot.

 

[Jabberwok]

That's a great idea.
We should really have some people make an article ranking all the Fallout games.

The problem is how would we do it. Would we have a way for members to post their personal ranks for the games, and then make a ranking article following those ranks, or would we just have someone making an article ranking the games based on their opinion. Would we have only one article made by one person or maybe an article made by several people?

Anyway, this NMA Fallout Rank idea would be a nice thing to bring some new activity to this place.

A thread for people to post their own rankings would be nice, but I think an article not based on a poll would leave the author more able to justify the ranking, which is the interesting part, anyway. And I'm fine with that approach because I'm assuming whoever writes it for NMA would make the 'correct' choices.