Muuuuuuuslim Baaaaaan! But don't call it that!

[SarcasticGoodGuy]

Liberals bitch about how police do not snitch on their own yet, look at the rioting. I call double standard.

Don't generalize, they're not all bad. We need a new name for these far-left racist "liberals".

@Crni Vuk genuine question : are you OK with the natives of your population being replaced by Muslims and having it become a state with Sharia Law?

 

[Crni Vuk]

If you mean Germany, the fuck you're talking about?

 

[SarcasticGoodGuy]

If you mean Germany, the fuck you're talking about?

No hypothetically.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Of course I am not.

Would you be OK by the native population of your nation be replaced with Neo-Nazis burning down refugee shelter ... oh wait. That is not hypothetical anymore :/.

 

[DarkCorp]

IMHO, I do not think adherents to Islam in Germany want or will ever be able to have the numbers to screw with German law or the constitution.

 

[CT Phipps]

genuine question : are you OK with the natives of your population being replaced by Muslims and having it become a state with Sharia Law?

I'm sorry but are you actually suggesting Muslims are a weird Invasion of the Body Snatchers race? That they're some kind of robot dopplegangers that go "for every Muslim who arrives, there's one less American/Europeans?" The thing is, Muslims who come to America BECOME AMERICANS. Ditto Europeans.

Our ideaology is enriched by theirs and vice versa.

Exchange of ideas.

People becoming more multicultural.

Also, Sharia Law is crazy ass religious traditions which have no place in the Koran. I.e. the same shit I already deal with in the Bible Belt. I'd love to do away with both as a theistic Christian because the assholes behind it tend to be fundamentalist nutjobs, no matter their nation.

I'm basically of the weird sci-fi fan who believes the world should become a Cyberpunk future with Chinese lettering on the wall, Arabs selling food along with electronics from barter stands, Megacorporations transcending national line, and white people disappearing along with everyone else because we've all interbred until we're one race.

 

[SarcasticGoodGuy]

Of course I am not.

Muslim populations are rising in several European countries, very soon they will hold political power. If immigration in these countries continues at this rate they'll eventually hold political power and can vote for Sharia (I'm sure that you're familiar with its worst aspects).

^If I'm a "racist" or an "Islamaphobe" for not wanting this to happen so be it.

 

[BigGuyCIA]

I'm basically of the weird sci-fi fan who believes the world should become a Cyberpunk future with Chinese lettering on the wall, Arabs selling food along with electronics from barter stands, Megacorporations transcending national line, and white people disappearing along with everyone else because we've all interbred until we're one race.

You've been watching way too much Bladerunner dude.

 

[CT Phipps]

Muslim populations are rising in several European countries, very soon they will hold political power. If immigration in these countries continues at this rate they'll eventually hold political power and can vote for Sharia (I'm sure that you're familiar with its worst aspects).

^If I'm a "racist" or an "Islamaphobe" for not wanting this to happen so be it.

I'm open to being persuaded otherwise but doesn't this presuppose.

1. All Muslims think alike
2. Muslims are so brainwashed they can't want to share European values (whatever the fuck that is)
3. Europeans won't make an effort to share said things.
4. Muslims and European values won't combine
5. Demorcacy shouldn't be representative of people who disagree with us?

 

[DarkCorp]

TBH, besides a Star Trek style Utopia, the other prevalent dominant government in sci-fi is usually the corporate republics, managed by a handful of mega corporations.

The inherent problems aside from that, atleast racism should, hypothetically, not matter as the only color that would mean anything is $$$$$$.

 

[SarcasticGoodGuy]

I'm sorry but are you actually suggesting Muslims are a weird Invasion of the Body Snatchers race? That they're some kind of robot dopplegangers that go "for every Muslim who arrives, there's one less American?" The thing is, Muslims who come to America BECOME AMERICANS.

Our ideaology is enriched by theirs and vice versa.

Exchange of ideas.

People becoming more multicultural.

Enrichment?

Mutilation of women.
Not allowing women to leave the house alone.
Killing all skeptics and non believers.
Rape is legal so long as the rapist is a Muslim and the victim is a non-Muslim.
etc.


@CT Phipps
I made this same point a few days ago, but I'll make it again:
I'm not against Islam, I'm against Sharia Law. It just so happens that there is a growing Muslim population in Europe and a lot of them support this barbaric set of laws that have no place in Western society- there have been Sharia marches in Britain, and that is why I am concerned. I believe that Muslims should be able to practice peaceful Islam, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, when I refer to "Muslims" in these kinds of threads I'm talking about the fundamentalists or sympathizers.

 

[DarkCorp]

The irony is, people say Trump is the next coming of Hitler and fascism has taken over America.

At the same time, the same people believe that muslim immigrants could not ever impose sharia law as they are inherently secular.

 

[CT Phipps]

You've been watching way too much Bladerunner dude.

I'm all for globalization as a general rule.

But allow me to actually throw another argument here from perhaps the greatest political thinker of all time.

You know, when he wasn't being a political idiot.

Now, Richard Nixon had a problem. You see, half of the world was communist and they're not the stupid ass I want to smack them university communists who don't understand what a totalitarian state is like. No, I mean actual scary labor camps, secret police, murder-happy communists with billions of followers. China, in particular, was a place where millions had died due to the mismanagement of Mao as well as the poor attempts to industralize society.

Richard, as a die-hard anti-communist came from a school of idiots who had the belief that the only way to deal with communism was containment and war. Instead, in a moment of brilliance, Milhouse realized there were other ways of winning the Cold War and perhaps the most effective was making peace. He, the only man who could do it because no one could ever accuse him of communist sympathies, went to China and made a relationship with them.

Rather than containment, China became businness partners with America. Not friends, unlike say Taiwan, but invested in the same global economy. China remained a dictatorship but the effect of economic prospeirty and cooperation changed the nature of the culture as well as society so that China is the 2nd most powerful nation on Earth or the 1st from where you're standing. It is also not a free nation but not a Stalinist hellhole either. Yanee plays in supermarkets.

China has a vested interest in America and vice versa, preventing another Global War.

The conflict of Islam vs. America vs. Europe is based on what I consider to be fear that American and European culture is weaker than Islamic. Also, that Islamic culture is an inherently retrograde fundamentalist yelling and shooting religion. That they're somehow Borg who will assimilate us when I believe people given the option of democracy and prosperity will choose that. That also there's nothing inherently inferior about Islam either and they can and in quite a few places DO exist in places which have both freedom as well as religion.

Nixon had faith American "values" were not something which would disintegrate under the Borg-Communism and if he could believe that about them, I think we can believe the same against this mythical Islamic Qunari which everyone seems to believe exists.

 

[BigGuyCIA]

I'm all for globalization as a general rule.

But allow me to actually throw another argument here from perhaps the greatest political thinker of all time.

You know, when he wasn't being a political idiot.

Now, Richard Nixon had a problem. You see, half of the world was communist and they're not the stupid ass I want to smack them university communists who don't understand what a totalitarian state is like. No, I mean actual scary labor camps, secret police, murder-happy communists with billions of followers. China, in particular, was a place where millions had died due to the mismanagement of Mao as well as the poor attempts to industralize society.

Richard, as a die-hard anti-communist came from a school of idiots who had the belief that the only way to deal with communism was containment and war. Instead, in a moment of brilliance, Milhouse realized there were other ways of winning the Cold War and perhaps the most effective was making peace. He, the only man who could do it because no one could ever accuse him of communist sympathies, went to China and made a relationship with them.

Rather than containment, China became businness partners with America. Not friends, unlike say Taiwan, but invested in the same global economy. China remained a dictatorship but the effect of economic prospeirty and cooperation changed the nature of the culture as well as society so that China is the 2nd most powerful nation on Earth or the 1st from where you're standing. It is also not a free nation but not a Stalinist hellhole either. Yanee plays in supermarkets.

China has a vested interest in America and vice versa, preventing another Global War.

The conflict of Islam vs. America vs. Europe is based on what I consider to be fear that American and European culture is weaker than Islamic. That they're somehow Borg who will assimilate us when I believe people given the option of democracy and prosperity will choose that. That also there's nothing inherently inferior about Islam either and they can and in quite a few places DO exist in places which have both freedom as well as religion.

I honestly don't believe we'll achieve a state of global-unity until we've ascended into the stars and discovered other sentient species that are an actual threat to our way of life.

This is something I wouldn't mind being wrong about.

 

[DarkCorp]

To be fair, the chinese did have ulterior motives for going pro-west.

Mao was VERY worried about the SU, especially since he didn't really like how un-Stalin the USSR was, along with how he did not like being a puppet in general. Seeing that he was surrounded by the SU, Vietnam (friends to the SU), who recently kicked out the Khmer Rouge ( a pro-chinese style communism) and instituted a puppet government in Cambodia, Japan, etc.

Many would say that the PRC benefited more from the deal overall.

So, any deal has to be MUTUALLY beneficial, which only the future will tell for Europe.

 

[SarcasticGoodGuy]

quite a few places DO exist in places which have both freedom as well as religion.

I don't want an Islam theocracy. In fact, I don't want any country wherein Church and Government are one.

The problem of US/Euro culture being "weaker" than Islamic culture is untrue. It's just that many people in the US/Europe are taught that we should accept everyone- which also means the minority of immigrants that are criminal and, for lack of a better word, backwards. Some decent vetting on refugees would mean that we could still take them in, whilst leaving out the trouble makers. Open borders just won't work.

 

[CT Phipps]

I honestly don't believe we'll achieve a state of global-unity until we've ascended into the stars and discovered other sentient species that are an actual threat to our way of life.

This is something I wouldn't mind being wrong about.

I don't believe Earth needs to be united, honestly, and am of the mind it'd probably be the worse off it was.

I do, however, believe sharing of ideas and concepts is a big deal.

Speaking as the Big Ass Leftist-AnarchistTM on the boards (I gladly claim the title), I also note for me the biggest problems with many Arab nations is the fact they are dictatorships propped up by the United States, Russia, and other global powers. The Arab Spring came close to making democracies in a dozen nations but got felled by brutal retaliation and corruption in countries which were previously considered stable or allied.

Iran, ironically, had the least painful reaction by just saying, "Nope, that election doesn't count. The Greenies have to go home."

 

[Crni Vuk]

@SarcasticGoodGuy You're paranoid and xenophobic, but not necessarily racist.

However, what do you think is more likely right now, that we will see a more and more rising right wing populism eventually turning european states in to authoritarian democracies, not unlike Russia. Particularly when you consider who people like Mike Pence (USA), DeVos (USA), or Le Pen (France), Nigel Farrage (GB) and Borris Johnson (GB) are?

Or that we will adobt the Sharia in a couple of years from now?

You guys always love 'facts' and numbers so much. Why don't you look up the number of islamic motivated attacks over the last 20 years and compare those with right wing attacks during the same period. For Germany alone, the difference in numbers is staggering. From RightWingers raping people, child molesters in their organisations, to Neo Nazis that set homeless on fire and burning down refugee shelters.

How comes that each time a Muslim attacks someone in Germany, you see an unsurpassed amount of 'resources' thrown in to find the attacker, digging up his whole history and if he radicalised his pets, but the fact that witnesses have 'mysteriously' died in the NSU murders (a right wing terror organisation which killed at least 10 people over 7 years) and very important files have been loost during the process, also under very 'mysterious' reasons, are not really much of an issue to anyone.

There is this running gag, that the authorities are kinda blind on the right eye ...

The irony is, people say Trump is the next coming of Hitler and fascism has taken over America.

At the same time, the same people believe that muslim immigrants could not ever impose sharia law as they are inherently secular.

Saying that it isn't likely = They could never do it.

Alright. Continue to read only what you want to read rather than what some of us here write. Worked well so far! It got Trump ellected kinda.

Hopefully you guys have more Scapegoats ready, if the kicking out Muslims doesn't fix your problems - Yes this is a sarcastic fun article.

It has become a bit out of fashion because the Germans kinda spoiled the fun for everyone by exaggerating it, but the Jews are a good bet too!

 

[CT Phipps]

To be fair, the chinese did have ulterior motives for going pro-west.

Mao was VERY worried about the SU, especially since he didn't really like how un-Stalin the USSR was, along with how he did not like being a puppet in general. Seeing that he was surrounded by the SU, Vietnam (friends to the SU0, who recently kicked out the Khmer Rouge and instituted a puppet government in Cambodia (a pro-chinese style communism VS USSR), Japan, etc,

Yeah, that's one of the interesting things I've read about. In a bit of literary political link-up, after Ian Fleming died, the 1st sequel to the Bond series was written by Kingsley Amis who at the time could best be described as a "huge fucking communist." So much so Ian's wife was pissed. The book, Colonel Sun, described the idea by Western Leftists that it was going to be the Soviets who softened to the West and the "evillllll Chinese" who would be the future enemies because well, the Left is usually just as racist as the Right, just in a more condescending compassion way.

A stopped clock is right twice a day and Mao was correct, the Soviet Union was hardening against him. Not the least because the Rooskies knew Stalin as a monster and Mao wore Stalin t-shirts like a teenage rebel who'd have been shot by him wore Che ones.

Mao saw which way the wind was blowing and both he and Nixon made a bargain of mutual benefit--which worked in ways I suspect both would hate but I think benefited the world.

 

[valcik]

We can make a deal, if that is ok for you. You don't care about any refugees and never ever taking ANY Muslim in your little nation, and in turn the EU cuts EVERY subsidy and advantage you get in economic deals. That ok for you?

Yes, that's perfectly fine by me. Let me correct a couple of dumb mistakes in your post though:

1. We do accept refugees, we always did, and we do have numerous minorities living here in Slovakia peacefully including moslems or Carpathian Germans. We won't take tens of thousands foreigners without security screening though, that's not only irresponsible, but straightforward dumb.

2. Cut economy deals now please, since you clearly don't have slightest idea how restructural funds are working, do you? I'll explain this one to you too.

First, western economy charged our region with great pleasure, since every invested euro means bigger profit for the investor than for us. Cooperativa insurance group for example, bought by Austrian financial group and generating hundreds of million € annual profit, with 80% of it flowing back to the mother company in Austria. It's a chicken laying golden eggs, you'd have to press really hard on Austrian owners to give up and sell it back. The same goes for any other financial institution owned by foreign investors, or any industrial complex, energy sector, anything.

Second, back to restructural funds - that's not a benevolent gift my blind leftist friend, but a long-term investition with high return value. We're still paying our EU membership fees and since our region was far behind the western countries in terms of economy growth or technology, we receive much larger amount of € right now than we pay back. This is only temporary effect though, the situation would change somewhere around 2020 when we should finally pay more than we receive. The western capital invested here grants labour force with higher education to western investors, cheaper and cleaner energy, generates some goodwill and its mutualy beneficial for both sides, since it allows us to pay our debt to EU much sooner, but frankly I'd rather live in poorer country with none EU directives messing with our legislative than in this liberal nonsense driven mess EU has became. So yes, I'm seriously contemplating whether I should support pro-european government in the next elections or not, seeing it leads nowhere, leaving pissed off people on both sides.