Religion is the root of all evil

Vicious_Squid said:
No, I don't BELIEVE (assume) it is no fact. I know it's not fact.

Okay, how do I sound like all evangelical fanatics I *disagree* with (I disagree based on what THEY choose to believe, not what I KNOW). That's the point, don't you get it? Belief is belief.

I don't have a *version* of the truth. The truth is the truth. I choose not to distort it or have a different version, I didn't talk about any "truths". This isn't philosophy. It's common sense, which you don't seem to grasp that well. I ASSUME that you merely go against what I am saying, either based on your own beliefs and "truths", or based on the fact that everyone else is going against what I'm saying because of my failure to produce a credible argument in your eyes.
How the fuck did you miss *everything* that's been discussed in this thread?
Assuming logic and science explain everything *is faith*. Period. There is no 'proof' that logic is the foundation of everything, other than it being a self-proving concept.

Vicious Squid said:
No.

Congratulations, you added to that void as well.

Just because I said that doesn't mean anything else has a point. There's no reason why I should even entertain myself in the first place, I don't need to in order to survive.
And your point being what, exactly?

Vicious Squid said:
I don't care what people believe, I did not say that.
Liar. You come into a thread, decide to throw 'The bible is horse shit' into people's faces and then claim you don't care. Hah!
Vicious Squid said:
I chose NOT to avoid it because I knew it would entertain me.

I'm sorry... did I say I was affiliated, or I identify with, some religion or *belief* system? No... I stated nothing on my behalf, of any spiritual beliefs or notions. And no, I did not say that what I say is the only way.
You said that you relied on 'common sense'.
Ding-ding-ding.

You also said that the *religious* way is a bunch of horse shit. So yes, you did say something about which way is valid and which one is not.

Vicious Squid said:
Of course I think irrationally, the same as any other human being (as do you).
Nice try to squiggle away from the argument, buck-o. You've been trying to bash religion as being irrational and 'common sense' as rational, yet you now say everything's irrational.
Idiot.

Vicious Squid said:
..Not really. I disagree with it because I know it is not based on fact.
And still you do not read this thread.
*GO FUCKING READ IT*.
Vicious Squid said:
People "who fanatically force their religion on populations" do not acknowledge fact, they acknowledge belief.
At least those people know they're *believing*. You don't even know that.

Vicious Squid said:
Well, I'm sure you (and everyone else) is here a lot because you're bored. I was simply being honest. It is entertaining, and I *assume* that is the sole reason why mostly everyone else is here. To entertain themselves... although this does involve, on an indirect level, of stimulating economic growth.
Er...what the fuck? People are here entertaining themselves and stimulating economic growth at the same time by posting on a message board?


Vicious Squid said:
Yes, really.


Please say something other than "...".

There is a difference between educated opinion and baseless trolling.

I know. "..." is baseless.
Yet again: we like arguments here. Go make them.
 
DarkLegacy said:
As a final judgement : I believe that it is not our place, nor in our best interests to tell others in what they should believe in. If they like religion, let them have religion. If they don't like religion, let them have atheism. As long as everyone is happy, nothing truly matters.
Problems start, when people want to impose their religious morality upon others. Most of anti-games/porn/comics/RPG, etc. crusaders are religious people.
 
Sorrow said:
DarkLegacy said:
As a final judgement : I believe that it is not our place, nor in our best interests to tell others in what they should believe in. If they like religion, let them have religion. If they don't like religion, let them have atheism. As long as everyone is happy, nothing truly matters.
Problems start, when people want to impose their religious morality upon others. Most of anti-games/porn/comics/RPG, etc. crusaders are religious people.
You said it. 8)

Just the other day, this guy wanted me to stop working on sunday because it was the "god's day" :lol: OMG! If he was right, then I would tell him that he should starting eating shit on monday mornings because it was MY god's will that every person named Diogo (the guy's name) eat shit on monday mornings... :roll:
 
Vicious_Squid said:
No, I don't BELIEVE (assume) it is no fact. I know it's not fact.

You have yet to provide any form of evidence to back up your empty statements. Translation: You're a fucking troll.

Okay, how do I sound like all evangelical fanatics I *disagree* with (I disagree based on what THEY choose to believe, not what I KNOW). That's the point, don't you get it? Belief is belief.

Not to mention, you're a fucking idiot. I mean, seriously, how can anyone be so stupid as to (possibly) read what has been stated, then either completely avoid it and just go on trolling, or they're so fucking stupid, they can't even understand their own goddamn "argument"?

If everything has to be explained to you, then here it is. You're the same as those door-to-door evangelical twats because you're so goddamn blind you *think* (which is also questionable, since you don't seem to be capable of any intelligent reason or logic yet, and no, bland ideas and the ability to post them doesn't make you intelligent) you might know something when all you really do is just add to the problem. "I'm bored so I wanted to troll with stupid, baseless arguments that can't be backed up in any means or I'm just too fucking stupid to try to back them up." I mean, shit, you basically said nothing but that.

I don't have a *version* of the truth. The truth is the truth.

More baseless statements by the village idiot.

I choose not to distort it or have a different version, I didn't talk about any "truths". This isn't philosophy.

Hahahahaha. Holy shit. Don't flatter yourself, kid.

It's common sense, which you don't seem to grasp that well.

It's hard to accept stupid, unproven, tasteless ideas and trolling for anyone, especially when it is blurted from the back of your yet-to-be-well-used brain.

I ASSUME that you merely go against what I am saying, either based on your own beliefs and "truths", or based on the fact that everyone else is going against what I'm saying because of my failure to produce a credible argument in your eyes.

Nowhere have I said that my beliefs are truth. But a very stupid try of you. In fact, I don't even say your version is more right or wrong (even though, you don't have a version other than "I'm against mainstream faith-based religions") than any other (personal beliefs aside, which I have yet to state). What I have said is that your baseless trolling is fucking retarded and hypocritical accusations were completely avoidable had you had one ounce of intelligence. "I'm bored so I wanted to annoy people and entertain myself with stupid, baseless blurts of bland, random bullshit." = troll/imbecile.

No.

Congratulations, you added to that void as well.

Again, more empty arguments that have yet to be backed up with any kind of reasonable logic. Goddamn, you're going for the landspeed record aren't you? Troll of the month, troll of the year, you have my vote.

Just because I said that doesn't mean anything else has a point. There's no reason why I should even entertain myself in the first place, I don't need to in order to survive.

Again, you assume far too much, and have yet to add any reason to this thread.

I don't care what people believe, I did not say that.

I chose NOT to avoid it because I knew it would entertain me.

So you agree that you're just a troll.

I'm sorry... did I say I was affiliated, or I identify with, some religion or *belief* system? No... I stated nothing on my behalf, of any spiritual beliefs or notions. And no, I did not say that what I say is the only way.

Holy shit, read your own goddamn posts at least! You come here and preach that your version of belief is right and others are wrong, yet you're too goddamn stupid to keep consistent and try the classic troll maneuver of victimization and "no you are" bickering.

No, I do not refer to anything I disagree with as mainstream. I meant mainstream as in, MAINSTREAM. And no, I do not consider myself a rebel.

So then all you wanted to do was troll. Because there is no point in saying "there is no interesting point in arguing why people believe in the Bible and other mainstream faith-based inanimate objects which have no consequence besides that which sways people to think irrationally." in which you provide no proof to back up your fact-less argument but just wanted to share your tired, used-up, pissant ideas.

Of course I think irrationally, the same as any other human being (as do you).

More "you are" moronic babble.

..Not really. I disagree with it because I know it is not based on fact. People "who fanatically force their religion on populations" do not acknowledge fact, they acknowledge belief.

You have yet to prove your precious "facts" over anyone else's. Therefore, yes, you're just the same as those tards.

Well, I'm sure you (and everyone else) is here a lot because you're bored.

More stupid assumptions by stupid people. I'm here because I enjoy the community here, not to mention I love Fallout. You're here to troll. There's a difference. And if that assumption you just made is a hint of your wider baseless logic, than indeed your "arguments" (which you have yet to argue intelligently) are flawed since you present them in the same manner.

I was simply being honest. It is entertaining, and I *assume* that is the sole reason why mostly everyone else is here. To entertain themselves... although this does involve, on an indirect level, of stimulating economic growth.

We're here to promote Fallout, but threads like these are here to add to the essence of the community. We don't just show up here to troll because we're bored.

Oh really?

Yes, really.


Please say something other than "...".

You're so stupid. I mean, I layed it out perfectly for you, and you completely avoided it, or are so stupid, as I can see, that you can't understand what has been said other than "..." and "oh really?".

I know. "..." is baseless.

You don't know anything, then. I'm not going to spoon-feed your dumbshit self. But you're more than welcome to go back and read this thread from the beginning and hopefully you'll catch my post and by then have enough basic understanding that you can properly comprehend what has been posted. Or maybe you'll just continue with the fact-less trolling. Sander has said it, I say it, yet you just keep avoiding it. I thought schools these days emphasized the importance of READING and COMPREHENSION but it seems you grew up in a deprived area or were just "too cool for school".
 
Sorrow said:
DarkLegacy said:
As a final judgement : I believe that it is not our place, nor in our best interests to tell others in what they should believe in. If they like religion, let them have religion. If they don't like religion, let them have atheism. As long as everyone is happy, nothing truly matters.
Problems start, when people want to impose their religious morality upon others. Most of anti-games/porn/comics/RPG, etc. crusaders are religious people.

I haven't thought of a solution for this as of yet, but thanks for your input.. I now have something new to ponder over. :)
 
DarkLegacy said:
I haven't thought of a solution for this as of yet, but thanks for your input.. I now have something new to ponder over. :)
Although it's strange you haven't pondered this over before, I believe the only solution for this is that people respect others beliefs, acts and behaviors, as long as they don't directly affect us. And by directly I mean physically. I don't, of course, respect that people believe they should kill me because that directly affect me. On the other and, I respect that people insult me, because that doesn't directly affect me. It's their opinion (even if unfounded). Remember one can call anything an insult. Liking FO:BOS may be considered an insult, for instance, while calling one a fucker may not. It all depends on the second person (the one that "receives" the insult, so if he is insulted, it's his fault, and not the first's (the one that "insults").

Then again, as it has been said in this thread, it's virtually impossible to do/say/think anything that is not an insult for someone in the whole world.
 
Morbus said:
DarkLegacy said:
I haven't thought of a solution for this as of yet, but thanks for your input.. I now have something new to ponder over. :)
Although it's strange you haven't pondered this over before, I believe the only solution for this is that people respect others beliefs, acts and behaviors, as long as they don't directly affect us. And by directly I mean physically.
The problem is that it's hard to create a democratic government that would work in that way. Someone said that democratic elections are the time when it is decided who will be opressed in the name of Law...
 
Sorrow said:
The problem is that it's hard to create a democratic government that would work in that way. Someone said that democratic elections are the time when it is decided who will be opressed in the name of Law...
It's not "hard" to create a working democratic government, it's simply impossible. The only way to create a working one would be to have EVERYONE to know EXACTLY the same thing, and the more they know, the better (not the less the better as in what happens with censorial governments), which is, obviously, impossible: it's impossible that everyone knows everything the other knows, and vice versa.

If you want a "practical" example of such a society, see the corresponding ending of Invisible Wars (Deus Ex). It's quite of an utopia, really, but it'd be awesome... (I don't believe everyone here will understand what I mean :?)

:EDIT:

Also, Deux Ex 2 is not the only fiction/mythology that analises this. This issue is throughoutly analised in Bible, in Tolkien's work and in Nordic Mytholgy (although a bit less deeply). I don't know of any northern africa or asian mythology/philosophy that develops it...
 
Morbus said:
It's not "hard" to create a working democratic government, it's simply impossible.
Now, we have just a pathetic parody of democracy. An election circus, manipulation of masses. A carnival. What do we vote for?

In Poland we ran out of political stars, so media had to create new ones.
Without a week they turned two men who were hiding in shadows - a scowling midget and a beaten boy into saviours of Poland.

It's an illusion of freedom. When 1000 men vote, one doesn't elect his politicians - 999 others do. Everyone else votes who will be oppressed.
No justice, no sense - just bloodless civil war - those who lose are chosen to be victims of the new tyrants.

Morbus said:
The only way to create a working one would be to have EVERYONE to know EXACTLY the same thing, and the more they know, the better (not the less the better as in what happens with censorial governments), which is, obviously, impossible: it's impossible that everyone knows everything the other knows, and vice versa.
Democracy is a flawed concept anyway - it assumes that majority is always right and that majority has right to impose it's values upon individuals.

I think that a working democracy would require a liberal constitution that would guarantee people personal freedom. Otherwise, there's no safety, there's place for no unity and therefore there's no place for authority - when elections affect my personal freedom, anyone who votes for my enemies, automatically ceases to be my compatriot and becomes a hated enemy.

Similarly, a government that trespasses my personal space isn't my government but a hostile alien government.
 
not contributing anything, but this is teh funneh:

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alec said:
Oh no: not another religious thread!

...the medieval muslim world where they cut off young girl's clits and force them to be illiterate until they visit the grave that bears their name. It's our good ol' Christian god who gave us (written!) permission to fuck up our fauna and flora and invest and build a society that thrives on economic growth, industrial pollution and lots of bling...

:roll:

I haven't read all the posts yet BUT the medieval Muslim world was a highly developed civilised society...for it's time of course. The things you are saying are characteristic to the pre-Islamic Arabic culture which even if that was the case isn't quite true since they didn't bother cutting young girls clitorises but rather buried them alive.

I cannot agree with "Religion is the root of all evil." comment either. Even though belief systems sound ridiculous at times and have caused mostly agony and pain throughout history, we are now seeing the results of not having religion. Individuals are failing to develop moral values of their own which results in low-trust societies.
 
remake said:
I haven't read all the posts yet BUT the medieval Muslim world was a highly developed civilised society...for it's time of course. The things you are saying are characteristic to the pre-Islamic Arabic culture which even if that was the case isn't quite true since they didn't bother cutting young girls clitorises but rather buried them alive.

I didn't use medieval in the way 'medieval' is being interpreted by you. I basically meant that the muslim world we know today seems pretty medieval in Western eyes. They do cut off clitorises and labia today, you know. And it's not even in the Quran.

The real medieval Muslim world was more civilized than the Muslim world is today, IMO.
 
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