The most facepalm worth article ever. "Fallout 4 is a good rpg"

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Yes but not western 3rd wave feminist. Trust me I know, my cousin and aunt are your typical 3rd wave feminist and they believe that all women living in America are constant victims of the evil white patriarchy and if Donald Trump is elected then he is going to use us as breeding stock and strap us women down in milking machines like in that scene from Mad Max Fury Road. I am not making this shit up. I really wish I was. Now Trump is a buffoon and there is legitimate reasons to not like him but this borders on the realms of madness. Suffice to say my cousin and aunt don't talk to anymore. Well that was after they called me a brainwashed c*nt and gender traitor.


Cis means that you are comfortable with your gender. Don't know why Tumblr likes to think that is an insult.
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I consider myself a "third-wave feminist". And yes I understand how much flak that can get on the internet just for saying it. Nonetheless, all I'm saying is can we not generalise please? As usual with these movements the movement itself is fine. It's just when you put people in it that it becomes problematic. Hence the Anita Sarkeesian's of the world. A lot of feminists can be fucking obnoxious sometimes.

Cisgender is just the term for non-trans people. I agree I don't see why it's become, as you say, an insult recently. Just wanted to point out it's not quite the same as people who are "comfortable with their gender".

Sorry for bringing this topic back guys. Please continue talking about Slender Man.

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Then again, that article in the OP is something worth forgetting about so let's keep the train off the rails. Speaking of trains, anyone know about Metro 2035 and what is it about? Since I've finished Metro: Last Light, I am curious to see which ending was taken as canon and how the story develops from there.
 
Izak said:
The Metro books don't follow the same plot as the games, Metro 2034 was completely different from Last Light.
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I see. But correct me if I'm wrong but the games do follow some of the story from the books? From what I can tell, Last Light follows the ending of the 2033 novel?
 
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I see. But correct me if I'm wrong but the games do follow some of the story from the books? From what I can tell, Last Light follows the ending of the 2033 novel?
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The 2033 book and 2033 game follow the same fundamental plot (a lot of stuff was changed during adaption but both stories are still about nuking the Dark Ones) but 2034 and Last Light are completely different: Last Light follows Artyom as he fucks around with a military vault, while 2034 follows Hunter as he fucks around with a deadly virus.
 
Yet another thread derailed so hard, it seemed like it has more C&C than Fallout 4.

Step up your game, Bethesda!
 
Earth said:
I consider myself a "third-wave feminist". And yes I understand how much flak that can get on the internet just for saying it. Nonetheless, all I'm saying is can we not generalise please? As usual with these movements the movement itself is fine. It's just when you put people in it that it becomes problematic. Hence the Anita Sarkeesian's of the world. A lot of feminists can be fucking obnoxious sometimes.
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Regardless of what you think third-wave feminism is about it is irrelevant at this point. I see far more sexism, racism, misandry, lunacy, hypocrisy and shit coming out of current feminism than I see good things. Like, you say that the movement itself is fine. Well, what is the 'point' of current feminism then? I mean at one point it was about women being able to vote and then the suffrage and then equal pay and shit and at this point? What is it truly about? What is the big next milestone that feminism is striving to achieve exactly? And why do 'you' or anyone else need "feminism" to accomplish it?

There was a woman who wanted men in sweden to pay a "man-tax" because of the myth of "77 cents on a dollar", she's a feminist. There's women out there who are feminists who want female prisons to be shut down cause it is mean to women. :( There are feminists who believe that if a woman accuses someone of rape then she should automatically be believed and questioning it in the slightest is condoning rape culture. Fat-acceptance bullshit. 77 cents on the dollar myth. Forcing colleges to teach men "how not to rape".

The movement itself is fine? How? How is it fine if you're lumped in with these people? And what is the 'actual' movement about? Cause you know what, Earth? Those crazy feminists? They consider 'their' interpretation of feminism to be the "actual movement" and they'd look at you and say you ain't a 'real' feminist. And that just brings us to the whole "no true scotsman" fallacy that third wave feminism is completely riddled with.

And maybe it is just because they are more vocal and get into the news a lot more because of their crazy antics than a "real" feminist like you do, Earth. But the way I see it, there's a lot more of them than there are of you and they get far more attention by the media than you and they affect the world far more than you and it ain't in a good way. Rangerboo ain't made no generalization. Rangerboo accurately described her encounter with 'that' branch of feminism. And like or not, that branch and your branch? Go under the same name.

My advice is to simply get out. Whatever "your" feminism is striving towards does not need the anchor of vitriolic sexism and man-hate that comes accompanied by those other groups that share the name. You don't need to call yourself a feminist. You don't 'need' to label yourself to simply strive for a better world.
 
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Really? That's an offensively stupid thing to want.
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http://jezebel.com/should-we-stop-putting-women-in-prison-1656085733
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/aug/02/closedownwomensprisons
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wo...t-it-time-to-abolish-most-womens-prisons.html
http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/chivalry/it-is-now-suggested-that-womens-prisons-close/
http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/feminist-professor-stop-putting-women-in-prison-all-of-them

I just googled and took the first 5 results and pasted their links. Point is; There is a discussion about it at the very least and there are those that advocate for female prisons to be shut down. Notice the emphasis on "female".


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Oh and for anyone who wants to see a bunch of commentary on third wave feminism here are some youtube playlists:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhZOzU5WE3iHiR-4XYE58HQxtwpAfrnyX
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLM9L2W5aOI_1TUcyIs9lJxTlCllkQer7d
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQJW3WMsx1q3BAZh3XsK1cSwCiaqjSulc
https://www.youtube.com/user/Shoe0nHead/videos
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlxcCQcv5giD8QHkIN1za2DYsxpVJxURX
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQJW3WMsx1q1OkWXNYx0Oozq6fpNCvvKZ

I'm sure there are good feminists out there who simply strive for true equality and better acceptance for people who are trans and shit but like I said; You don't need "feminism" for that. All you need is to work towards that better world with logic, compassion and facts to debunk stupid people talking out of their ass.

Hell, you don't need 'any' label. Just be you and work towards what you think is a better world with people that have the same ideas. Cause the scary thing about labelling yourself as part of a group is that when that group steers away from what you joined it for you're going to be lumped in with the rest of them.
 
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Mr Fish said:
Regardless of what you think third-wave feminism is about it is irrelevant at this point. I see far more sexism, racism, misandry, lunacy, hypocrisy and shit coming out of current feminism than I see good things. Like, you say that the movement itself is fine. Well, what is the 'point' of current feminism then? I mean at one point it was about women being able to vote and then the suffrage and then equal pay and shit and at this point? What is it truly about? What is the big next milestone that feminism is striving to achieve exactly? And why do 'you' or anyone else need "feminism" to accomplish it?

There was a woman who wanted men in sweden to pay a "man-tax" because of the myth of "77 cents on a dollar", she's a feminist. There's women out there who are feminists who want female prisons to be shut down cause it is mean to women. :( There are feminists who believe that if a woman accuses someone of rape then she should automatically be believed and questioning it in the slightest is condoning rape culture. Fat-acceptance bullshit. 77 cents on the dollar myth. Forcing colleges to teach men "how not to rape".

The movement itself is fine? How? How is it fine if you're lumped in with these people? And what is the 'actual' movement about? Cause you know what, Earth? Those crazy feminists? They consider 'their' interpretation of feminism to be the "actual movement" and they'd look at you and say you ain't a 'real' feminist. And that just brings us to the whole "no true scotsman" fallacy that third wave feminism is completely riddled with.

And maybe it is just because they are more vocal and get into the news a lot more because of their crazy antics than a "real" feminist like you do, Earth. But the way I see it, there's a lot more of them than there are of you and they get far more attention by the media than you and they affect the world far more than you and it ain't in a good way. Rangerboo ain't made no generalization. Rangerboo accurately described her encounter with 'that' branch of feminism. And like or not, that branch and your branch? Go under the same name.

My advice is to simply get out. Whatever "your" feminism is striving towards does not need the anchor of vitriolic sexism and man-hate that comes accompanied by those other groups that share the name. You don't need to call yourself a feminist. You don't 'need' to label yourself to simply strive for a better world.
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I don't label myself Mr Fish, I consider myself a "third-wave feminist" because I believe in the principle ideals of "third-wave feminism". None of your examples convince me that there's some kind of nefarious grand plan by feminists to kill all men, or turn men into second-class citizens, or whatever it is you believe. All I see if some individuals with opinions. And some of them are misandrist, in the same way that a fair amount of the Black Power movement was racist. There are extremists in all movements. All I see is you getting overly emotional about something that just isn't an issue in the real world. It's extraordinary that you take such offence to me using a "label".

First there was first-wave feminism, which pushed for women to be seen officially equal to men, by law, with workers rights, politically etc. Then second-wave feminism appeared in the 1960s and everything exploded. Women demanded social equality, to be considered equal by men in ability and intelligence. Suddenly feminism became a much more difficult issue as you could no longer just pass laws and say the problem had gone away. Women wanted jobs they originally hadn't been allowed before. They wanted something different to growing up just to be a mother in the house. So anyway, that was the 1960s, and a lot of good has occurred since then. Women have jobs now that they never could have had a hundred years ago. There are still problems but we've made progress. "Third-wave feminism" is a continuation of social acceptance, but this time of gender fluidity, arguing that "gender" is a social construct, something that I agree with. Hence my being a "third-wave feminist", in the same way as believing in conservative principles makes you a conservative etc etc.

Godwin's Law is a popular rule on the internet, arguing that comparisons to Hitler and Nazism are, for the most part, absurd. But what is the one subject that is consistently compared to Nazism often times without complaint? Feminism, with the phrase "feminazi".

I accepted that feminists can be obnoxious sometimes, and overly emotional. But like you said, logic will, and should prevail as always, so really you're throwing up a fuss for no other reason than a near-meaningless label.
 
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Regardless of what you think third-wave feminism is about it is irrelevant at this point. I see far more sexism, racism, misandry, lunacy, hypocrisy and shit coming out of current feminism than I see good things. Like, you say that the movement itself is fine. Well, what is the 'point' of current feminism then? I mean at one point it was about women being able to vote and then the suffrage and then equal pay and shit and at this point? What is it truly about? What is the big next milestone that feminism is striving to achieve exactly? And why do 'you' or anyone else need "feminism" to accomplish it?

There was a woman who wanted men in sweden to pay a "man-tax" because of the myth of "77 cents on a dollar", she's a feminist. There's women out there who are feminists who want female prisons to be shut down cause it is mean to women. :( There are feminists who believe that if a woman accuses someone of rape then she should automatically be believed and questioning it in the slightest is condoning rape culture. Fat-acceptance bullshit. 77 cents on the dollar myth. Forcing colleges to teach men "how not to rape".

The movement itself is fine? How? How is it fine if you're lumped in with these people? And what is the 'actual' movement about? Cause you know what, Earth? Those crazy feminists? They consider 'their' interpretation of feminism to be the "actual movement" and they'd look at you and say you ain't a 'real' feminist. And that just brings us to the whole "no true scotsman" fallacy that third wave feminism is completely riddled with.

And maybe it is just because they are more vocal and get into the news a lot more because of their crazy antics than a "real" feminist like you do, Earth. But the way I see it, there's a lot more of them than there are of you and they get far more attention by the media than you and they affect the world far more than you and it ain't in a good way. Rangerboo ain't made no generalization. Rangerboo accurately described her encounter with 'that' branch of feminism. And like or not, that branch and your branch? Go under the same name.

My advice is to simply get out. Whatever "your" feminism is striving towards does not need the anchor of vitriolic sexism and man-hate that comes accompanied by those other groups that share the name. You don't need to call yourself a feminist. You don't 'need' to label yourself to simply strive for a better world.
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Feminism isn't a monolith or a cult. The term itself refers to subject matter, meaning that it's about women, the empowerment of women, and so on. That's what it's about. There's no endgame or universally-agreed upon goal. As such, feminists are free to make good suggestions, bad ones, and ridiculous ones. Other feminists don't have to agree with them or support them if they don't want to. If the more out-there elements have more influence than they ought to, then it's because of people like you who keep putting them under a magnifying glass.
 
Earth said:
All I see is you getting overly emotional about something that just isn't an issue in the real world.
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Uh-huh, check out the playlist links and see how third wave feminism isn't an issue "in the real world".

Earth said:
I don't label myself Mr Fish...
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You said "I consider myself a "third-wave feminist"", that's labelling yourself.

Tom Bishop said:
Feminism isn't a monolith or a cult.
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Yeah they are, check the links, I think Sargon Of Akkad or thunderf00t brings it up in some of their videos.

Earth said:
The term itself refers to subject matter, meaning that it's about women, the empowerment of women, and so on. That's what it's about.
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Terms and meanings change. Feminism is one that has changed.

Tom Bishop said:
There's no endgame or universally-agreed upon goal.
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Then it is pointless and redundant.

Earth said:
If the more out-there elements have more influence than they ought to, then it's because of people like you who keep putting them under a magnifying glass.
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Oh I don't give a rats ass about "out there" groups. Only time I will go "hang on, what the fuck is going on here?" and put it under a magnifying glass is when such a group gains power and influence and affect people in negative ways. When that happens it 'should' be brought up and scrutinized.

My whole point with that post was in TLDR form: "Rangerboo didn't generalize and here's why" and that if Earth wants to keep using the label then he can do it. I just think it's a bad idea.
 
Mr Fish said:
My whole point with that post was in TLDR form: "Rangerboo didn't generalize and here's why" and that if Earth wants to keep using the label then he can do it. I just think it's a bad idea.
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I can look after myself Mr Fish. Thanks for your concern but I'd prefer not to have page length blogs thrown at me merely for mentioning the word "feminism".

In my opinion RangerBoo did generalise, hence my comment. So we disagree on that. We can spend the next twenty pages discussing this until the thread's eventually vatted but honestly I preferred the way the thread was originally going. That and I've been in enough political discussions this week that I don't need one on feminism to complete a spectrum of political debates.
 
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