Trump wins

Kilus said:
Here's a thought experiment:

Take your mother(replace with someone in your life you deeply personally respect if you don't have a good relionship with your mother). She goes into a store selects something to buy. The shopkeeper says "We don't serve your kind here". Acceptable?

So churches don't even have to do same sex marriage. You know that. So why bring it up?
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The KKK were denied the right to do public assembly on property in my area on the basis the local businesses didn't want them around or their hate speech. They also were refused service when they ignored it and showed up anyway. Like I said, maybe I'm being hopelessly naive that if you can guarantee rights for the worst of people, you can guarantee rights for the best.

I'm not blind to the fact that usually this results in the worst getting all the traction then immediately finding ways to weasal out of letting the same protections to apply to others.

While I don't support unlimited states rights is because the government used this "freedom" to segregate races when the Federal government was needed to protect the right of blacks to have access to equal material support in the public--which the state governments denied on basis of the local (white) majority.
 
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Kilus said:
Here's a thought experiment:

Take your mother(replace with someone in your life you deeply personally respect if you don't have a good relationship with your mother). She goes into a store selects something to buy. The shopkeeper says "We don't serve your kind here". Acceptable?
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Yes, go to a different shop and let the free market take care of someone who limits their consumer base but legally they should be totally within their right to deny service to someone.
Kilus said:
So churches don't even have to do same sex marriage. You know that. So why bring it up?
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Because you argued that they should.
Kilus said:
But there is a easy out for anyone that doesn't want to perform same sex weddings. Don't be a public accommodation or business. Oh wait, that is every single church.
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When you know you're going to jail because your husband couldn't stop showing his cock on the internet for 2 months until the election ended.
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Vergil said:
Yes, go to a different shop and let the free market take care of someone who limits their consumer base but legally they should be totally within their right to deny service to someone.

Because you argued that they should.
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That free market was so effective in the 1950s.

And I didn't differentiate in my first between bakeries and churches when it comes to same sex weddings, my mistake. But you know and I know that churches are not forced to perform them. We both have said that.

CT Phipps said:
The KKK were denied the right to do public assembly on property in my area on the basis the local businesses didn't want them around or their hate speech. They also were refused service when they ignored it and showed up anyway. Like I said, maybe I'm being hopelessly naive that if you can guarantee rights for the worst of people, you can guarantee rights for the best.
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Being a member of the KKK doesn't make you a protected class. All you have to do is not wear the uniform or not introduce yourself as a member of the KKK and no one will know. Due to absolute power held by the state they shouldn't be allowed to decided on what ideas can be presented. Local business can do what they want. Whether they should in a ideal setting and in a realistic setting is a different question(given a KKK member not in robes and behaving appropriately). In a ideal setting they shouldn't because everyone is a person and you best fight ideas by appealing to a persons human side. In a realistic setting you have to do what everyone else is doing. Screw the real person behind each KKK member, let the KKK increase their hold on that person, it's not worth your business suffering.
 
Kilus said:
That free market was so effective in the 1950s.
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Well that's what happens when you have a country that's 90% White.
Now that we're all the way down to like 60% and continuing to fall the free market can't afford to discriminate anymore.
Kilus said:
But you know and I know that churches are not forced to perform them. We both have said that.
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As they shouldn't be.
 
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As a bisexual, I have never had any issue with shops and public businesses openly denying service to gays, people of different religions, race, etc. Do you know why? Because it lets me know what stores TO AVOID. I don't want to shop in a store where the owner/employees are literally only serving me because they're absolutely forced to. Why, they'd probably spit in my food if it was a restaurant. Now that everyone is literally forced to comply with serving customers even if they hate them, it doesn't bode well. If someone doesn't like me or what I stand for, I will simply go somewhere that does and not deal with the charlatans. Once again, forcing someone to do business with a group or race they hate will only lead to trouble, I would much rather know where NOT to go instead. Besides, why would I want to give my money to people who would rather chuck me off a rooftop instead of serving me? At least with "religious freedom" laws and "denial of service" laws, it lets me know where I'm not wanted and where to go instead.
 
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Kremin said:
Woke up this morning to see a bunch of liberals call half of America stupid.

What a time to be alive.
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To be fair I've always called America stupid.

In fact, I just say people are stupid on general really.
 
Millim said:
To be fair I've always called America stupid.

In fact, I just say people are stupid on general really.
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Nah, I wasn't talking about any of you.

Just Twitter/whatever feed in general. Holy shit is it a salt mine.
 
Shillim said:
To be fair I've always called America stupid.

In fact, I just say people are stupid on general really.
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Your ancestors fell for white people dressing up as Native Americans and commandeering a ship only to toss all the tea into the harbor. You don't get to call any other country stupid you ponce. Also, how does it know that the same thing we're feeling is being felt over there too?

 
Ragemage said:
First of all, I'm a bisexual and I voted for Trump/Pence. Pence has nothing to do with "electro-gay-conversion therapy". http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-supported-gay-conversion-therapy/ He lets his state have the right on whether they're going to keep it or not. I'm okay with that. If we let women freely abort babies now, why can't we also let people decide whether they want to be converted out of being gay or not? It's only fair. It's about choice. Now of course what isn't okay is when parents can force their kids into gay-conversion therapy, but Pence didn't support that either.
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My brother who is both gay and a devout Christian voted Trump as did his boyfriend. This whole thing with trying to scare the LGBTQ community backfired for the left especially considering that Hillary received a lot of donations from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Places that treat people from the LGBTQ community as sub-humans who are to be thrown from tall buildings to their death. I don't know where the fuck people get the idea that Pence tortures gays as if that were the case the media would be on that like fly's on shit. Pence was Trumps peace offering to the Evangelical establishment as Trump himself is one of the more LGBTQ friendly candidates to run in a while.
 
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Ragemage said:
Your ancestors fell for white people dressing up as Native Americans and commandeering a ship only to toss all the tea into the harbor. You don't get to call any other country stupid you ponce. Also, how does it know that the same thing we're feeling is being felt over there too?

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"ATTA BOY NIGE!
 
Ragemage said:
Your ancestors fell for white people dressing up as Native Americans and commandeering a ship only to toss all the tea into the harbor. You don't get to call any other country stupid you ponce. Also, how does it know that the same thing we're feeling is being felt over there too?

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Your country voted in an Oompa Loompa who was once shaved a man's head in the middle of a wrestling ring.
Also, we're the country who gave the White House it's namesake.
 
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