Black Lives Matter

Nono, I getcha. The ones using snarky terms are the least racist, while those who don't are the most racist.
It's very wowza!

There's a level of sarcasm which makes text hard to decipher for me, state what you mean bluntly.

While people are out there literally killing black/mexican/attackhelicopter-kin/jews/whites/etc, are snarky comments from someone who does not give a shit about melanin that bad?
 
Did anyone here ever experienced bigotry or racism?

Racism, no (aside from friendly jabs). Bigotry on the other hand, well there's plenty of people who don't give a shit about anyone else's opinion, so I think we've all experienced that at one point or another.
 
What kind of bigotry?
- to clarify it, I'm talking about bigotry in the sense of discrimination simply due to the fact how you look or where you come from. Not people that disagree with your opinion.
 
What kind of bigotry?
- to clarify it, I'm talking about bigotry in the sense of discrimination simply due to the fact how you look or where you come from. Not people that disagree with your opinion.

I'm using the word as it means.

Oxford Dictionary said:
bigotry


noun
mass noun
  • Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.

    ‘the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry’

It's one of those words that has lost all original meaning by now. But anyway I digress, to answer your question no I haven't suffered discrimination as such but I've heard people make offensive claims about my race/nationality before. No biggie.
 
Well as a Finn, it used to be that Swedes especially looked down upon us. There was and still is a saying in Sweden, "En Finne igen" ("A zit/pimple (Finne=a Fin/Finnish) again". Finns are still the largest immigrant group in Sweden and have been the target of racism. Swedes used to have a strong presence in Finland too but that has sort of diminished although Swedish is still the other official language of Finland etc. Swedes still have a lot of inherited wealth in Finland and also political power through their very own political party, the Swedish People's Party of Finland (?).

Nothing comparable to the racism experienced by US blacks or blacks in Africa etc.

Imagine there was a "Canadian People's Party of US" in USA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_People's_Party_of_Finland
 
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The police dash cam video of the shooting of Philando Castille. Poor black person is like cannon fodder to the cops.



Btw I'm using the ignore function now, makes the board much more readable.
 
Something that I find puzzling, imagine a person in his car is stoped for driving to fast. His family is with him, his wife and his child. The police officer ask the driver for his driving licence, the driver explains to the officer that he's a gun owner and that he has a licence for it. He's reaching slowly for the papers after the officer tells him to get them out, then he's shoot, right in front of his family.

Why is the NRA not talking about this again?
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-slayton/the-nra-is-racist_b_10927268.html

Let’s do an imaginary scenario. A white, middle-aged male in a southern or border state is pulled over by a federal officer. He has a pistol and a CCW permit. There is a confrontation in which the civilian announces that he is a permit holder and has a legal right to a firearm, yet the officer shoots and kills the individual.

This is hypothetical, so we can’t state as fact what the NRA’s reaction was. But we can look at their past history to get a sense of what that response might be.

For a long time, the NRA has been an outspoken advocate of open carry laws, and those who legally carry firearms under these laws. As an article in the American Conservativeput it, “NRA supporters and certain other Second Amendment support groups define guns and weaponry as not just the symbolic but also the highest material expression of liberty, freedom, and moral rectitude. Anybody who can buy and possess a gun, especially if he or she conceals it — or even open carries — in public, automatically passes into the ranks of being a ‘good guy’. No matter what this new hero’s background, inclinations, or emotional make-up might be.” Notice that there is no mention of race in this list.

The NRA has been a stalwart and long-standing supporter of open carry laws across the United States. At the 1914 Annual Meeting, the AP reported,

With concealed weapons now legal in all 50 states, the National Rifle Association’s focus at this week’s annual meeting is less about enacting additional state protections than on making sure the permits already issued still apply when the gun owners travel across the country. The nation’s largest gun-rights group... wants Congress to require that concealed weapons permits issued in one state be recognized everywhere, even when the local requirements differ. Advocates say the effort would eliminate a patchwork of state-specific regulations that lead to carriers unwittingly violating the law when traveling.

Based on their emphatic position on this issue, it is fair to postulate that their response to the situation posited at the start of this article would have been loud, quick, and vigorous.

But their reaction to the Philandro Castile case has been minimal and muted.

First, some facts. Philandro Castile was shot by a police officer for having a gun after the officer had been informed that Mr. Castile had a firearm and was a legal permit holder. This occurred on Wednesday, July 6 at roughly 9pm.

On Thursday at 8:57 am, nearly twelve hours after the now nationally recognized incident, the NRA tweeted, “Gun-Controlled Chicago: More Homicides Than LA, NY Combined”. Thirty minutes later, they tweeted an attack on Matt Damon, who had called for a ban on guns. A full two days passed before the Rifle Association finally released a mild and equivocal statement: “The reports from Minnesota are troubling and must be thoroughly investigated. In the meantime, it is important for the NRA not to comment while the investigation is ongoing.”

Even other pro-gun advocates were more concerned than the NRA. Andrew Rothman, 46, the president of Saint Paul, Minn.-based Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, exclaimed, “It scares all of us... This is the first incident that approaches this level of seriousness with permit holders.” The Second Amendment Foundation, a gun-rights group based in Bellevue, WA, said that “exercising our right to bear arms should not translate to a death sentence over something so trivial as a traffic stop for a broken tail light.”

NRA members questioned the silence as well. Marco Gallologic wrote on the NRA’s Facebook page, “Your lack of message concerning the Castile case disappoints me and makes me question my membership.” Dennis Gesker posted on his own page, “Philando Castile had a valid concealed weapons permit but was shot and killed... As an NRA member, I urge you to take a strong position in favor of this man.”

So what is the difference between the real and the hypothetical examples? Why did the NRA react slowly and with diffidence to this government use of lethal force against someone with a legal right to bear arms?

There seem to be two divergencies. The Phalandro Castile case involved an officer of the local, vs. the federal government. It seems that the Rifle Association chooses which law enforcement officers to support and which to condemn, depending on the level of authority they work for. Local law enforcement officers will receive support, federal law enforcement officers are “jack-booted thugs”, according to the NRA. Both uphold the laws of this nation. But some are good guys, others not. (5)

The other obvious fact is that the victim in the hypothetical was white, while Philandro Castile is black. Kind of glaring.

There is precedence for their inactivity in a gun rights case involving African-Americans. In 2012 Earl D. Brown was a 73-year old black night watchman in Lauderhill, FL. Employed as a security guard, he was carrying a licensed gun, a .44 Magnum. Police officers showed up to investigate a possible burglary and confronted him. Mr. Brown raised his hands and announced, “I’m security.” The officers fired 22 rounds, two of which struck Mr. Brown, who had a heart attack at the hospital and died. A grand jury chose not to indict the officers but issued an extremely negative report calling them poorly trained and inexperienced. After an Internal Affairs investigation within the department, they were exonerated.

The NRA did not comment on this situation.

Mr. Brown’s widow, Gloria, did, however: “Honestly, I hear the NRA talking about the right to bear arms... He had the right to bear his that night; they just never told us he wouldn’t have the right to life. It seems like white men and police officers are the only ones who have the right to bear arms in this country.”

In a press release, the NRA has declared that it “represents law-abiding gun owners.” If you’re white.

Racism is often used casually: a “racist” is simply someone who is prejudiced in one situation or the other.

But the technical definition of racism is that people of separate races are different, and ranked in a hierarchy. Some races are higher, better, matter more. Some are lower, inferior, matter less.

From their reaction — or lack of — to these cases, the only logical conclusion one can reach is that the NRA is racist.
 
What kind of bigotry?
- to clarify it, I'm talking about bigotry in the sense of discrimination simply due to the fact how you look or where you come from. Not people that disagree with your opinion.

Yes, actually, funny stories, heh heh.

Lots of hate because I'm a furry.
 
Something that I find puzzling, imagine a person in his car is stoped for driving to fast. His family is with him, his wife and his child. The police officer ask the driver for his driving licence, the driver explains to the officer that he's a gun owner and that he has a licence for it. He's reaching slowly for the papers after the officer tells him to get them out, then he's shoot, right in front of his family.

Why is the NRA not talking about this again?


One of his very very simple points, I keep seeing expertly circumvented in this whole discussion, and I tried to address it a page-or-two ago, although my sarcasm wasn't necesarily captured so well
"Black lives matter" is KIND of a ... catchphrase. It's supposed to be evocative. It's SUPPOSED to be a shortening of the supposed sentence "Black lives matter just as much as all other lives", which is precisely why "but ALL lives matter!" becomes a slap in the face of the movement. A deliberate, disrespectful slap. It becomes equal to saying "you know what - no. Black lives matter a little less. You're trying to say black lives matter AS MUCH AS all other lives, and I am going out of my way to contradict your statement (for whatever reason, I'll leave that up to you to guess. I also, coincidentally, belong to the keep-the-confederate-flag crowd. Isn't that odd.)"

It's like a guessing game, where nobody has the stupid time to play stupid games.
Like that other guessing game, that goes sortof like "lately, it would seem like I am being a nazi apologist, LOL, guess what political agenda I am trying to push =D btw, healthcare for everyone is a shit idea. Weak people will get whats coming to them in my ideal society =)"

Or that other guessing game "I am an outcast, I have a neurological disorder, I am probably gay, bi, whatever else you can imagine, some sort of minority - but I strongly adhere to politics where we will hunt down and ostracize people who are outcast, disordered, sexually deviant, and in any other kind of minority. Take a guess if this has to do with some sort of underlying psychological self defensive mechanism inside my stupid head =) Like, if I say punish the weak, nobody will think of ME as being one of the weak! Guess if that is indeed what's going on =D"

Anyway, derailed a little there.
But yeah, he makes a good point with the ending too.
 
What I think is that most of the social or political opinions are formed accordingly to very personal experiences. The most hardcore right wingers here in Slovakia are born in regions with highest gypsy population so they experience the criminality first hand. And vice versa, liberals are shielded from these negative impacts by high living standards of middle/high class district in big cities, far from the most affected regions.
 
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