BigGuyCIA
Yer fond of me Lobster!
You should at least state you're ok with genocide then.
Muuuuuuuslim Baaaaaan! But don't call it that!
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You should at least state you're ok with genocide then.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
In strict practical terms, we should have probably kept to Afghanistan. At least until the Taliban were under control.
That should have been done in the first invasion then. Kurdistan was, ironically, under US occupation already.
BigGuyCIA
Yer fond of me Lobster!
Bush Sr., essentially abandoned the Kurdish rebels that were springing up to oppose Saddam. What followed was the persecution and genocide of Shia and Kurdish Iraqis. Complete and total mess.
joevonzombie
Buried alive in Golgotha
What I am against is the US illegally invading a sovereign nation for oil interests and to quell a personal vendetta. Dubiya didn't give a flying fuck about what was actually going on over there and if US soldiers are going to die for something, it needs to be for more than that.
GonZo_626
Well Shit!
Holy crap, this is a thread of hate in here.
First off, I don't agree with Trumps ban, it won't work, and it is not just countries that Trump does business with that were excluded from the list. It is countries that have major ties to the US that were exempted, but you know blame the guy.
Second, its not surprising that a western democratic country would want to ban members of a certain religion, Canada did it with the members of the Westboro Baptist church ("American version of religious extremists"). Nor do all right minded people thing muslims are bad, but right now in the world we live in they do have a surprising amount of extremists per population
Third, people of all sorts need to actively stop working against each other. This is how we have ended up where we are today, Repulicans to not hate poor people, or immigrants they just disagree with the way of dealing with them. The left sees things as needing the government to step in to save everyone (which I call authoritatian), the right things as needing to give individual the opportunity to save themselves (Libertarianism). This is actually kinda funny and sad that the Liberals are not the ones looking for Liberty anymore, but want to shove their view down your throat. Both want the same thing, a better society.
Hopefully in 90 days when all this blows over and the US has hopefully figured out there immigration and refugee shit it will just be a bad footnote.
First off, I don't agree with Trumps ban, it won't work, and it is not just countries that Trump does business with that were excluded from the list. It is countries that have major ties to the US that were exempted, but you know blame the guy.
Second, its not surprising that a western democratic country would want to ban members of a certain religion, Canada did it with the members of the Westboro Baptist church ("American version of religious extremists"). Nor do all right minded people thing muslims are bad, but right now in the world we live in they do have a surprising amount of extremists per population
Third, people of all sorts need to actively stop working against each other. This is how we have ended up where we are today, Repulicans to not hate poor people, or immigrants they just disagree with the way of dealing with them. The left sees things as needing the government to step in to save everyone (which I call authoritatian), the right things as needing to give individual the opportunity to save themselves (Libertarianism). This is actually kinda funny and sad that the Liberals are not the ones looking for Liberty anymore, but want to shove their view down your throat. Both want the same thing, a better society.
Hopefully in 90 days when all this blows over and the US has hopefully figured out there immigration and refugee shit it will just be a bad footnote.
Supreme Shah Ismail
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
In a response to an earlier post Iran's air defense and air force is equal to that of Israel. I doubt Israel has any major air advantage over them, considering after the Iraq war and constant threats by Israel Iran has take measures to defend itself in that area. Also Iran doesn't have a navy in the sense a US does but has a very strong coastal defense which in a 2002 war game by the US trying to simulate a gulf conflict with Iran lost pretty badly. Both US and Iran have taken steps to work on their strengths after said war game. I may have a bias when I say Iran has a very good chance of winning a war regardless of invasion or smack down in the gulf I would remind you to never underestimate them. On paper Iran should have lost the war with Iraq, but it didn't. Not to mention unlike Iraq and Afghanistan were nationalism is an issue you can be guaranteed guerilla fighters would have the popular support of the people. Not to mention strong Russia/Chinese backing and Hezbollah/Lebanon in Israel. But for the sake of American and Iranian soldier lives (fuck Israeli soldiers) lets hope no conflict comes to pass.
But yeah fuck anyone who is even remotely okay with this. Its a political, business and racist move. Fuck the cowards who cant let refugee familys or Iranians in becuase they're scurred of the muslims from muslamistan.
Also in reply to guy above, the westboro baptists church is not the entire christian religion nor a ban on all Americans. Shitty excuse and defense.
But yeah fuck anyone who is even remotely okay with this. Its a political, business and racist move. Fuck the cowards who cant let refugee familys or Iranians in becuase they're scurred of the muslims from muslamistan.
Also in reply to guy above, the westboro baptists church is not the entire christian religion nor a ban on all Americans. Shitty excuse and defense.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
I was just mentioning after the massacre the United States occupied Kurdish lands and rebuilt them. But no disagreement on the mess part.
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Let me deconstruct that a little for you:
1. How would US people feel about a country's ban on Christians entering a country?
2. The ban isn't against religious extremists but all people coming from certain nations with a high population of Muslims but not others. This includes banning people fleeing from said religious extremists.
3. The per capita of Muslims isn't really all that high because they're the largest religion in the world.
I remember when someone said, "You don't see Christian extremists raping and beheading people."
To which I say, these guys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
We just don't identify them with the majority of Christians.
D
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Okay, fine. I don't care. Most of us didn't care. The US already had a no fly zone over Kurdistan in the 90s with Saddam taking pot shots, big whoop. (along with the gulf). Iran was supporting the rebels since the Iran-Iraq war. The Kurds weren't worth our economy going to shit or the region become unstable, and now Turkey has doubled down and kicked the Kurds some more - and are we really going to kick them for that, too? Can the Kurds take the place of Turkey in NATO? Nope. Can the Kurds be anything more than a extension of Iranian influence? Nope.
There are genocides ongoing right now - Rohinya in Burma, a flare up in Darfur again. Nigerian tribal tensions in the Delta. Should we rush in and topple those governments and put up a peacekeeping and stability force? Fuck. No. We don't have the cash. We don't have the interest. Simple as that. Bush didn't rush in to defend the Kurds, he rushed in because he didn't want to be outdone by daddy, the same daddy who had to be emotionally handjob'd by Thatcher to rush into Kuwait in the first place.
Idealism doesn't - and mostly shouldn't - drive geopolitics. Gets expensive.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
I'm all for stopping genocides and war crimes but the international compacts against those things have all fallen to shit.
D
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And you'll find most will agree. I'm not saying anything I'm saying out of malice but practicality. We don't have the efficiency to intervene, the cash, and I'm going to say now that we don't have the drive, either. Panama and Grenada made us overconfident, then comes Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan and Libya and Syria with their ongoing insurgencies and corrupt governments snatching and running off with the aid money and we quickly found the limit to our steam. Simple as that.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Which is part of my argument for not going to war with Iraq in that we were already in the middle of a large conflict in Afghanistan. The morality wasn't my reason against it, though there was a lot to unpack there, but the fact it was a conflict which stretched US military resources to the breaking point due to so many being used elsewhere.
Part of the reasons drones have been overused and misused is some asshole in Washington (some abominable asshole) thought they were a magic substitute for troops on the ground and became our go-to tool. A tool which quickly became the "when all you have is a hammer"
naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
We need a wall around todllers and make them pay for it.
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
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GonZo_626
Well Shit!
Here let me deconstruct this for you
1. Canada banned American Christians (of a certain group) from coming in, nobody cared. I also think we did it with a certain sect of fundamentalist Judaism, nobody cared.
2. The ban is intended for religious extremists but as Trump cannot change the law stating that only members of a certain religion or faith being banned (like Canada did) he was forced to ban the entire nation(s)
3. Estimated around 10% (to some degree or another of extremism) most other religions have a much smaller percentage of extremists, and 10% of the biggest religion in the world is a fuck ton of people.
But like I said I don't support Trump on this. In reality most of the attacks in the states themselves are from home grown sources. I won't argue that Christians have not committed some horrendous actions because most religions have some really stupid people in them, its just Muslims are the flavor of the day this century.
Supreme Shah Ismail
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
1. A cult of horrible people is not an entire people or religion your tard.
2. They cant just run across the border so they are vetted highly anyway A, Secondly the ban also includes citizens/visa holders/green card holders so fuck off
3. Its much smaller, there is a billion and half Muslims vs maybe 100,000 of which are extremists.
4. fuck you
GonZo_626
Well Shit!
Hmmmm, that's right resort to name calling, tell people to F off, yes yes that's the lefts way instead of discussing it.
1. I never said anything about it being all people in a religion I have stated as part of the continuing discussion that is was a few from some religions
2. The states is lax on there vetting process compared to some other countries including the bastion of peace that is my country Canada
3. Depends on where you draw the line quite a few fully support Sharia law over there governments laws which seems pretty extreme to me
4. I won't trash you for your beliefs but that does not help the discussion
5. What part about I don't support the ban can you not get through your skull, I have worked and discussed many things with muslims and have no problem with the majority of them I don't think anybody should be judged by their religion, but I also think people should not talk about their religion.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Far Left and Far Right aren't different there. Except, I'm talking about the true leftists and rightists. Not the shitty excuses we have nowadays. Where are the fascists, where are the communists?
CaptJ
The Rival of Roquefort Hall
Just asking but when was this survey made and why does it specifically start after the 9/11 attack?
We need a wall around todllers and make them pay for it.
Juza The Cloud
Nanto Goshasei
Does anyone else think Muslim Ban should be the name of some crude WWF wrestler like a more islamic undertaker, he could have some vaguely racist vaudeville routine as he enters the ring.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Fuck duh Muslims!!!