Russia attacks Ukraine

zegh8578 said:
lol "that state is totally made up, here - I'm going to totally make up definitions for an actual state!"
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what should I do? any definition has ever been invented. besides Ukraine there were also many pseudo-states. Georgia, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ausztria–Magyarorszag, Königreich Preußen, Stormaktstiden, Rzeczpospolita, Third Reich, etc.
huge variety.
 
broneslav said:
You are trying to play with near-moral categories. In order to talk about the justification of military actions, you must be an active combatant and fight for the Motherland, and not be an armchair analyst. And if you suddenly decided that I am trying to justify the invasion in eyes of Nazis, then you are clearly mistaken. The war will continue as long as the pseudo-state of Ukraine exists.
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I got my sources from the man himself during his interview with Tucker Carlson.

Well Tucker, first you have to go back to the beginning, hundreds of thousands of years ago when the seas boiled and the lands burned. deep in the frozen wastes of Hyperborea. Among the snow dunes and vast planes lived Sir Santa The Klaws, a ape like creature making crude toys out of dino bone and his own waste, hurling them at chimp like creatures with crinkled hands regardless of how they behaved that year. These so called toys were buried as witches and defecated upon or hurled at predators who were awoken by the searing grunts of the children. It wasn't a holly jolly christmas that year for many were killed.

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broneslav said:
what should I do? any definition has ever been invented. besides Ukraine there were also many pseudo-states. Georgia, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ausztria–Magyarorszag, Königreich Preußen, Stormaktstiden, Rzeczpospolita, Third Reich, etc.
huge variety.
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what should you do? dude, how about shutting the fuck as an altertative to spouting gibberish?
 
Writing in endonyms is a clear sign of 200iq behaviour.
I also love how you include stormaktiden which only refers to Sweden for a couple of decades. Like, the Swedish state never disappeared, we're still here.
 
Resardiv said:
Writing in endonyms is a clear sign of 200iq behaviour.
I also love how you include stormaktiden which only refers to Sweden for a couple of decades. Like, the Swedish state never disappeared, we're still here.
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Oh great! If you equate Stormaktstiden with Sweden, then I equate the Russian Empire with Russia. We are still here and we have the army and Putin. Now show me your Carl 12. And what does IQ have to do with it? I have the average IQ of an orc, which in human units is about 80. What are you counting on? Stop doing nonsense and come deport 100% of the Russian population from Crimea, my smart human friend.
 
broneslav said:
Oh great! If you equate Stormaktstiden with Sweden, then I equate the Russian Empire with Russia. We are still here and we have the army and Putin.
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No, what I mean is that the Swedish state never ceased to exist or radically changed. It was never abolished and replaced with a new order, like Germany or Russia after WWI.
broneslav said:
And what does IQ have to do with it? I have the average IQ of an orc, which in human units is about 80. What are you counting on? Stop doing nonsense and come deport 100% of the Russian population from Crimea, my smart human friend.
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You know, you Russians are known for being rude, but it's just that you say it straight and to the face. The 200 iq bit is just an old meme, not something meant to be taken literally.
 
Resardiv said:
No, what I mean is that the Swedish state never ceased to exist or radically changed. It was never abolished and replaced with a new order
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Tell these tales to the Karelians, Finns and residents of St. Petersburg. For them, Stormaktstiden is either a historical term or a pseudo-state that you are trying to raise from the grave.
Ukraine emerged as a state in 1991. Without bloodshed and wars for independence. By agreement between stronger powers. Without the genesis of a nation as such. From people raised by the Soviet education system, who did not know what nationality was. These were Soviet people. Now a new generation has grown up, taught according to new textbooks, and the natural process of the genesis of a nation is underway. If you or other local geniuses think that Putin or someone else is globally to blame for the process of ethnogenesis, which implies defending the right to one's identity, or think that everyone who lives within the borders of Ukraine in 1991 is automatically Ukrainian, then you do not even reach the level of understanding of the orcs. The question of whether Ukrainians will have a national state and what it will look like is still open.
 
Trump will rescue both sides it's already happening. Nice cease fire Gaza ~ 5 days after Trump warned them. Oh and all that money to Ukraine, you know, all the weapons we send them and then the brass sells almost half of it on the black market? GONE! I'd be very surprised if Trump flexes on Putin to defend and pay that corrupt government in Ukraine.

Once that U.S. Taxpayer dollar isn't being spent there the war is OVER!
 
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broneslav said:
Tell these tales to the Karelians, Finns and residents of St. Petersburg. For them, Stormaktstiden is either a historical term or a pseudo-state that you are trying to raise from the grave.
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What are you even talking about? Yes, Sweden lost those territories, but the state emanating from Stockholm never stopped existing. The Swedish state has never been abolished or disbanded since its modern founding in 1521. Hence why differentiating stormaktstiden as a separate state from the current Swedish state is disingenuous.
 
Just explain one thing to me. Why do you want to deport 100% of Russians from Crimea (more than 1.5 million) by the hands of the Ukronazis, apparently. But don’t you want to deport 100% of Russians from St. Petersburg? Don't want to get your hands dirty?

I would also add that the Russians have some experience in opposing Nazism. Siege of Leningrad and occupation of Crimea (1941-1944). Many still remember their fathers and do not want to give their home to the Nazis. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Crimea_during_World_War_II
 
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What I wrote before is regarding those who settled in Crimea post-2014 invasion and illegal annexation. They are to be deported not because of their race and nationality, but by the fact that they are illegal immigrants.
 
The population of Crimea has long received Russian citizenship and renounced Ukrainian. Only about 50 thousand people kept their Ukrainian passport.
Thus, for Ukraine, almost everyone in Crimea is now a foreigner. They are also called "крысчане".
In addition. More than 50 thousand residents of Ukraine moved to Crimea for permanent residence after the annexation. To live in hellish conditions of occupation.
 
That does not change the fact that the annexation was in violation of both international law and Ukraine's national sovereignty. If you were so sure of the population's pro-Russia attitude you wouldn't need the military to perform a coup de grace with green lite men. Do it the right way.
 
And you ask yourself a question.
When there is a revolution in the country. The president has fled, the Maidan leaders have declared the police enemies of the people. The army does not understand whose orders to follow now. Military warehouses are being seized all over the country to arm the radicals.
Who and how should ensure the sovereignty of Ukraine in such a situation?
The Ukrainian military units in Crimea surrendered without a single shot, laid down their arms and were sent to Ukraine. Cowardice and betrayal. The pseudo-state has no real sovereignty and cannot have it.
 
Resardiv said:
If you were so sure of the population's pro-Russia attitude you wouldn't need the military to perform a coup de grace with green lite men. Do it the right way.
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1) I don't need advice from Nazis and people who think they know how and where to evict Russians. Come with your army and show how to segregate, evict and deport properly. Do it the right way.

2) If you are sure that you know how to return lands properly, then you can write a letter to Putin and point out the mistakes he made. Maybe next time he will annex the land taking into account your wishes. In any case, thank you very much for being so concerned about all these Crimean problems that were solved 8-9 years ago.
 
broneslav said:
1) I don't need advice from Nazis and people who think they know how and where to evict Russians. Come with your army and show how to segregate, evict and deport properly. Do it the right way.

2) If you are sure that you know how to return lands properly, then you can write a letter to Putin and point out the mistakes he made. Maybe next time he will annex the land taking into account your wishes. In any case, thank you very much for being so concerned about all these Crimean problems that were solved 8-9 years ago.
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