Why Robert Edwin House is the best hope for the wasteland and humanity

[Ediros]

Fair, but it's not my fault. It does not have slide endings for other occasions like ignoring them.



Even if you persuade her to stay, they still try to kill the courier and her, in case you does not have 95 in speech. Both cases, it's just a rebel faction, it's not as if one of the two possible elders had given the order for it......I guess XD

You misunderstood, I meant that BOS cannot change, even under dire circumstances they are at. Look at them: they are hiding in the bunker and barely come out, the NCR can and will destroy them through sheer number if given chance. And they will harass all the travelers for their tech. They are nothing more but raiders, that can not change ther flawed and outdated way of thinking. Killing them is doing Mojave a favour

 

[CT Phipps]

You misunderstood, I meant that BOS cannot change, even under dire circumstances they are at. Look at them: they are hiding in the bunker and barely come out, the NCR can and will destroy them through sheer number if given chance. And they will harass all the travelers for their tech. They are nothing more but raiders, that can not change ther flawed and outdated way of thinking. Killing them is doing Mojave a favour

Only the BOS is worthy of life. Only they have responsibility to use technology. To prevent another nuclear apocalypse, you have to nuke NCR and the Legion.

 

[CerberusGate]

You misunderstood, I meant that BOS cannot change, even under dire circumstances they are at. Look at them: they are hiding in the bunker and barely come out, the NCR can and will destroy them through sheer number if given chance. And they will harass all the travelers for their tech. They are nothing more but raiders, that can not change ther flawed and outdated way of thinking. Killing them is doing Mojave a favour

That or forcing them into a treaty with the NCR (since the BoS can comprehend that the NCR has the bodies to throw at them). The New Vegas chapter has reached a point where they are becoming the next high tech raiders (though delayed by Elder McNamara). Too bad the latter is just one man against a wave of increased (though already present) isolationism and stagnation.

To prevent another nuclear apocalypse, you have to nuke NCR and the Legion

Ironically, you get more BoS approval if you stop the nukes of the Divide from launching so for all of their isolationism and stagnation, they still comprehend the dangers of re-nuking regions.

 

[CT Phipps]

Well unlike the idiots in the Capital Wasteland, they remember the whole POINT of gathering technology is NOT to use it.

 

[Jogre]

I mean, sure, independent is more chaotic, not denying that. However, loss of liberty and life in New Vegas? That does not sound like House just lets people do whatever they want. I mean, it rather implies that people there have to accept his rule with no argument and most likely heavy taxation. Tyrant, much?

House is likely something of an authoritarian, and the loss of life is probably due to the wasteland temporarily being anarchic after the NCR are no longer able to keep order.

That being said, House can't be too much of a tyrant, given that New Vegas is literally built on gambling. If he started doing horrific things, he'd probably lose most of his tourist industry

Here House ignores Boomers. While independent New Vegas will struggle for some time, due to House's death, Boomers are unaffected one way or another. AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GUYS WHO HAVE A GOD DAMN WORKING BOMBER + home made fuel + mortars. Great insight here, House. I mean, if House really was that smart, why didn't he at the bare minimum establish some trade routes and such?

That ending you quoted literally describes trade being established.

Maybe House realised that the Boomers would trade with the outside world eventually anyway, and didn't want to force there hand.

Leave them alone, that's it? No words of appraisal, no securitrons to help with the crime, just let the people fend for themselves. Granted House does not have resources to spare on rebuilding Freeside with goals, but considering he is ready to wipe them out to the last man, based on assumption, does not make him look like a good leader.

I mean, it's not based on assumption. In said ending, The Kings literally did offer help to the NCR.

It's not wiping them out to the last man based on assumption, it's wiping them out to the last man based on the fact that they were literally signing truces with a group House deemed to be invaders.

Also, given that the whole philosophy of the Kings is about self-determination, and keeping there freedom, they probably wouldn't appreciate Mr House barging in on them.

This sentence here is very important, it implies that House may bring development and such, but in his flawed Old World way. Of course, he has already proven that he can thrive in Wasteland by rebuilding the Strip and such. However, this coupled with heavy taxes and most likely a police state, brings rather questionable outlook on the House.

The NCR Ending literally mentions Goodsprings being abandoned by the older residents due to not being able to pay the taxes.

House may potentially be a police state, but certainly not a heavily taxed one.

Yes, House is a tyrant. Though he prefers autocrat. No one in the Strip WANTS Mister House to be their Boss but he is an accepted ruler by the laws of the Wasteland: I.e. "I will fuck up your shit unless you do what I say."

I mean, "Tyrant" generally refers to a cruel or self-interested leader. Autocrats are often, but not necessarily tyrants.

Since House doesn't actively mistreat his subjects, instead just being seen as absent by most of them, I wouldn't say he's a tyrant.

too greedy and flawed to be a good man himself but proud of the people who do good things.

"I'm not offering you an incentive as crude as money - though there'll be plenty of that. What I'm offering you is a ground-floor opportunity in the most important enterprise on Earth. What I'm offering is a future - for you, and for what remains of the human race." -Mr House
I wouldn't say House is greedy, in fact this quote suggests that he thinks money is a "crude incentive". He seems to genuinely believe he is leading humanity in to the future.

I'd say House's flaw is narcissism as opposed to greed. He demonstrates frequently that he thinks he and he alone can rule humanity, and his obituary screams of self-superiority.

That being said, it could be argued that House is as much of a great technocrat as he says he is, given how he built RobCo from the ground up.

 

[Cobra Commander]

I had not really understood. I do the same. I feel bad for Veronica, but what to do?

Well unlike the idiots in the Capital Wasteland, they remember the whole POINT of gathering technology is NOT to use it.

I'd say House's flaw is narcissism as opposed to greed. He demonstrates frequently that he thinks he and he alone can rule humanity, and his obituary screams of self-superiority.

hehe. One of the best moments of this game is to talk to Caesar after the death of House, where the first one says that the second really has himself in high regard.

 

[Black Angel]

Fair enough, Yes-Man lacks the intuition and House's experience, no argument here. However, I think you are omitting courier's influence here. Of course you can play the courier as a mercennary, then House definitely is the best option. However, with Good karma-Courier and I quote: "Supporting the ideals of independence, the Courier was recognized as the man/woman responsible for a truly free New Vegas. He/she ensured Mr. House's tyranny was broken and neither Caesar's Legion nor NCR would ever gain control over New Vegas".

In comparison House: "The Courier, fair and kind-hearted to those in the Wasteland, ensured that Mr. House would keep New Vegas stable and secure for future generations. Mr. House afforded him/her every luxury at his disposal in the Lucky 38, out of gratitude - and a quiet sense of pride for his choice in lieutenants."

Tyranny is not a nice word, don't you think? Besides, there other things that happen around the world. Also, Stable and Secure for future generations? You mean like Gambling? House likes his snowglobes, doesn't he?

Adding to what others has said about this 'tyranny of Mr. House', I have to say the ending slides for Independent Vegas was made in such a way to portray the other factions as antagonistic. It even went as far as specifically painting Mr. House as a 'tyrant', probably because he's the main offender to the idea of Independent Vegas. And I have to say I'm baffled as to why you think I'm 'omitting' the Courier's influence when it comes to Independent Vegas. I'm not. In fact, it's you who omitted the Courier's influence when it comes to Mr. House reign, only saying that a 'Mercenary Courier' can make House as the best option. I will take this opportunity to quote @Ragemage from this thread

Actually no, Brivoo is right. Though I would compare House's reign more to a dual dictatorship than I would a 1 man rule thanks to the Courier having a say in pretty much all of House's decisions as said in the ending slide.

Like I said before, House merely gave the Courier some directions on what needs to be done, while how that's done is entirely up to the Courier. A Good Karma courier would definitely ensure that whatever it is that House wants to be done, it will be done it a way that's 'good'.

Also, why do we have to just talk about New Vegas being 'stable and secure'? Ain't the rest of the Mojave can enjoy such stability and security thanks to the Courier's works? Like I mentioned, I acknowledged the fact that the differences between a House-reigned and Independent Vegas are rather minimal, but what little differences they have, it has a significant impact for the future of New Vegas, Mojave, and humanity at large: Yes-Man doesn't have the same visions and wits of Mr. House, nor he would be able to use all of the information like House did, nor would he have a good plan in case the NCR attempt to annex the Mojave again.

1.Boomers:
Independent: "Though the Wasteland became anarchic after Hoover Dam, the Boomers' display of power dissuaded fortune seekers from attempting to penetrate Nellis."

House: "Mr. House showed little interest on the Boomers, who eventually began venturing out of² Nellis to meet and trade with travelers."

Here House ignores Boomers. While independent New Vegas will struggle for some time, due to House's death, Boomers are unaffected one way or another. AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GUYS WHO HAVE A GOD DAMN WORKING BOMBER + home made fuel + mortars. Great insight here, House. I mean, if House really was that smart, why didn't he at the bare minimum establish some trade routes and such?

Also, even NCR establish decent relationship: "With the help of the Gun Runners, the Boomers developed a healthy trading relationship with the NCR. Eventually the Boomers began wandering out into the wasteland, while still preventing outsiders from entering Nellis."

What Jogre said. House really don't do things like establishing trade routes and such, because it's not his job. Hell, why don't we bring the Courier into the picture again? If we're doing a Good Karma Courier, the Boomers would definitely see that the 'savages' ain't as bad as they thought, and so, just like what the ending slide said, they eventually began venturing out of Nellis to meet and trade with travelers. Without House 'establishing trade routes', the route establish itself.

3.Arcade:

House: "Though Arcade was proud to have been one of the defenders who turned back the Legion at Hoover Dam, he was crushed by Mr. House's ascent to power. Saddened by the loss of life and liberty in the area, Arcade left the Mojave Wasteland for parts unknown. He was never heard from again."

Independent: :Arcade was proud to have been one of the defenders who helped repel the Legion from Hoover Dam. He was prouder still to see the area freed from the shackles of the NCR and Mr. House. Though independence for New Vegas was not all he hoped it could be, Arcade used his Enclave knowledge and technology to keep order wherever he could."

I mean, sure, independent is more chaotic, not denying that. However, loss of liberty and life in New Vegas? That does not sound like House just lets people do whatever they want. I mean, it rather implies that people there have to accept his rule with no argument and most likely heavy taxation. Tyrant, much?

Ahh, the beauty of New Vegas. Even the ending slides are made in such a way to include one character's point of view. See what I did there? "loss of liberty and life" is a word that came from the mouth of one Arcade Gannon, but Arcade Gannon never entered the Lucky 38, nor he ever had conversations with Mr. House, nor he ever take a look at bigger picture. Does Arcade Gannon ever think about how New Vegas Strip springs into life in such a short time, manned by bunch of tribals that has been rehabilitated?

4.GoodSprings:

House: "After Mr. House gained control of New Vegas, he sent a Securitron to Goodsprings as a token of appreciation for helping the Courier. Victor was a mixed blessing, however, as he continually monitored the town for Mr. House."

Independent: "With New Vegas' independence formally declared, Goodsprings thrived. More travelers stopped by Goodsprings on their way to and from the Strip, and the locals grew prosperous from the traffic."

Goodsprings comes out on top in independent ending. House here rather keeps an eye 24/7, like a big brother. So he most likely can and will keep the income of the town in mind and regulate it accordingly. Don't believe me? Here comes Primm.

"So he most likely can and will keep the income of the town in mind and regulate it accordingly"? What? Where did you get that from? Again, this is where the difference between House-reign and Independent Vegas is rather minimal. Even under House-rule, Goodsprings STILL "....thrived. More travelers stopped by Goodsprings on their way to and from the Strip, and the locals grew prosperous from the traffic.", BUT with an added monitoring by Victor, of which although the good folks might get annoyed by, I don't see them complaining in the ending slides like when NCR wins the battle and impose heavy taxes upon them.

5.Primm:

House I - NCR retreats: "Despite NCR's pledge to support Primm, they abandon the town after their loss to Mr. House. As repayment for their NCR loyalty, Mr. House sends Securitrons to Primm to "protect" it and collect heavy taxes from its citizens." Of course, if you reprogram Primm Slim or let Meyers in, it gets better. In fact, other endings like NCR or Yes-Man it prospers one way or another, the exception being legion.

Of course in my scenario, it is not all sun and rainbows either: "Despite NCR's pledge to support Primm, they abandon the town after their loss to the Courier. Independent again, Primm operates much as it had before the Powder Gangs arrived, full of ups and downs." So the town is getting on, even without House.

Though, this one is a bit more separated, so let's leave it at that.

Why is this a 'bad' thing? You chose to make the town surrender and getting annexed by the NCR. Of course Mr. House is going to get pissed!

I know I have mentioned this before, but I'm not sure if you ever pay attention to it. Mr. House is the best option IF you do things RIGHT. And those right things would include: NOT letting Primm getting annexed by the NCR, NOT letting the Kings reconcile with the NCR AND even encourage wiping out the missionaries and the squatters, etc etc.

6.Cass:

House: "Cass lived to see Hoover Dam in its Old World glory, humming with power the likes of which the Mojave had never seen. Vegas burned brighter than ever, securitrons filled the streets, and Cass's heart skipped... just a little. Her last words were to the Dam - and to herself. "We were going full speed ahead... but facing backwards the whole time.""

Independent: "Cass lived to see the Courier bring down three armies and by her count, that was three more than she'd expected. She'd kept quiet about that, though."

This one is a bit odd, but note the key phrase: "We were going full speed ahead... but facing backwards the whole time."

This sentence here is very important, it implies that House may bring development and such, but in his flawed Old World way. Of course, he has already proven that he can thrive in Wasteland by rebuilding the Strip and such. However, this coupled with heavy taxes and most likely a police state, brings rather questionable outlook on the House.

I'm just going to address this by saying I've already said all that I needed to say when I address Arcade's points. This is yet another beauty of New Vegas. This ending slide right here is just Cass's point of view. Again, she's not the one who entered the Lucky 38 and have conversations with Mr. House and, again, she doesn't take a look at the bigger picture nor she ever consider Mr. House's past achievements.

And heavy taxes? What? House only impose heavy taxes on Primm for their surrendering to NCR. He doesn't imposed it if Primm's law enforcer is Meyers or Primm Slim, and he doesn't impose heavy taxes anywhere else.

7.Kings:

House: "Accusing The Kings of lying with a foreign invader for their newfound ties to the NCR, Mr. House punished them by ordering their forced removal. The Kings, defiant to the end, were destroyed to the last man by House's Securitrons." - when you ease the tension between NCR and Kings. Was there really a need to destroy them to the last man? I suppose, the squaters could become a threat or sabotage the strip, but still...

I'm just going to quote myself from previous page for this one

The NCR that's present in Freeside at the time were represented by Elizabeth Kieran, an NCR military personnel (a Major, no less), some missionaries who help with relief effort, AND some squatters. They're called squatters, you know? Just unwanted people taking up spaces in local's home. A pact made with the NCR, and a military personnel on top of that, means the Kings fully support #NCRforNewVegas. That... wouldn't bode well with the head honcho of a major powerhouse in the region who wanted Vegas to stay independent, no?

And to make it worse, here is what happens if you do not ease the tensions:

House 2:" During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of The Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone."

Leave them alone, that's it? No words of appraisal, no securitrons to help with the crime, just let the people fend for themselves. Granted House does not have resources to spare on rebuilding Freeside with goals, but considering he is ready to wipe them out to the last man, based on assumption, does not make him look like a good leader.

Think about what I said in my quote above. NCR's presence in Freeside was a propaganda to sway the local's support to them, but it's not working. Hence why you'll notice some NPCs who's nearby the relief are squatters. They're unwanted presence because the took the local's living space. And again, there's really not much for House to do other than leaving them alone. What's so bad about leaving people alone? Does he has to personally go down the field and thank people?

Also, independent endings:

Independent 1:"Following the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, Freeside came to be known as one of the more stable areas in the region. Ironically, NCR refugees found Freeside safer than most of the rest of New Vegas, where resentment still lingers."

Safer than rest of the New Vegas, doens't that mean that Kings are doing pretty decent job at protecting the Freeside?

Yes, exactly. They did pretty good job protecting Freeside, no? So why does Mr. House has to send some Securitrons down there? Why shouldn't he leave them alone, again?

Independent 2: "In the aftermath of the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, The Kings took the opportunity to viciously force all NCR citizens out of Freeside. Travelers from the Republic quickly learned to avoid Freeside if they valued their safety." So here, we push out the squaters and make NCR avoid this area. This one is for the better, since squaters are most often gamblers who lost everything and thugs. In a way it helps Freeside. Also, don't you think antagonizing citizens of powerful country like NCR seems like a bad idea, don't you think?

"Also, don't you think antagonizing citizens of powerful country like NCR seems like a bad idea, don't you think?"
I don't know, man. Why don't you ask yourself this question? It isn't on a House-endings that "The Kings took the opportunity to viciously force all NCR citizens out of Freeside." Granted, on a House-ending the Kings still attacked some of the NCR citizens.... at least they didn't viciously force ALL NCR citizens out of Freeside.

Well, I imagine shutting down an actual AI is a bit harder than walking inside the lucky 38, hacking a few terminals without password and blowing House's head off.

Seriously? Why don't you also consider that if Yes-Man is inside Lucky 38's Mainframe, someone walks inside the building and just blow every goddamn thing, then?

Also, a direct quote from J.E.Sawyer:

"Fan: Why'd you imply that Yes Man was going to take over in the Independent ending? After going to all the work to take Vegas over myself it was kind of a bummer to learn Dave Foley was going to take it all away.

JE Sawyer: That's not the implication." DUN DUN DUUUN!

"Fan: Then what is the implication? That seems to be what everyone reads into it-- Yes Man reprogramming himself to be more 'assertive' is kind of ominous!

JE Sawyer: That he will not just roll over for the next person to walk up to him in the Courier's absence. I.e. he will become a somewhat-independent steward instead of a powerful tool for any random person to use for nefarious purposes.

So, yep. Yes-Man does reprogram himself to become more like Alfred to Batman.

Okay, but once again, humanity lose Mr. House's visions and wits. Yes-Man still can't use all of the information stored in the mainframe like Mr. House can, nor would he be able to procure a good plan in case the NCR re-attempt annexing the Mojave.

Fair enough, we get to choose how to deal with different factions, House just says, which is the best option for it, if you manage it. However, I don't remember ever House what would happen if Kings were to stop antagonizng NCR. I mean, we get that quest, but House just straight out decides what to do, without an option to ask about it. A leader, who does not listen to his subject's corcerns seems pretty poor in that regard

*sigh* He's already giving the Courier the freedom to choose the method on how to deal with stuff. Basically, Mr. House only wants us to get shit done, no matter how we gonna do it. He doesn't rule like a literal monarch who sit upon his throne, listening all day long to his subjects problems and dilemma. Of course, in case of the Kings reconciling with the NCR, I was initially surprised by the ending slide because my second playthrough I supported House for the very first time. But thinking about it all, we don't need to listen to Mr. House spoon-feeding all of it for us because that's not exactly his concern. Hell, why don't we blame Obsidian in this regard because why don't we have dialogue option to mention this specific concern to Mr. House?

1.House makes better decisions than anyone else possibly could.

That's a bald assumption. They are a genius, but they are not irreplaceable. He was born human, and no indication has ever been given that his intellect is cybernetically enhanced or anything. Being that skilled at electronics doesn't mean that they're the worlds greatest strategist or leader. Any number of other geniuses of the same scale could already exist. In fact it's only a matter of time before they're born. Also, the fact that the Courier is actually willing to listen to others means they don't have to rely on a singular genius. The wisdom of crowds should not be overlooked. It's something House is diametrically opposed to. The Courier doesn't need to know how to create a giant robot that no one else could build, to be a better strategist or leader. Clearly they can outmaneuver House and everyone else to come out on top.

What Prone Squanderer said. And who ever concluded that, just because he's skilled at electronics it means he's greatest strategist or leader? He's the greatest strategist because he stopped the NCR right on its track to annex the ruins of Las Vegas and also makes them sign a treaty with him by making them consider the Legion coming from the East, he worked hard to recover the Platinum Chip without anyone from the NCR or the Legion ever noticed it (even when Benny busts the entire operation, nobody paid attention to it nor its importance), and then he schemed to scapegoat Kimball and Oliver for the Mojave Campaign's failure. I never said anything about him being the greatest leader, too.

2.House is more terrifying than the Courier, therefore the NCR would be less likely to come back.

Even without killing House and taking all his stuff the Courier is not someone to take lightly. After that and everything else you can do in game I seriously doubt they're thinking 'well at least we don't have to deal with House'. If anything their list of achievements would be absolutely terrifying.

But they WILL damn well think, "Well, at least we don't have to deal with House."

Again, it was Mr. House who stopped the NCR right on its track, and who do you think managed to stall the NCR as long as 7 years from truly annexing New Vegas, let alone the ENTIRE Mojave Wasteland? For 7 long fucking years, NCR establish all of those camps and ranger stations, keeping watch for any Legion activity from across Colorado River, and tried to gain local's support. Think about it, if Mr. House wasn't there in the first place, the NCR would've just gunned down everything that moves in Las Vegas Ruins and forcefully annex the entire region, but Mr. House rehabilitated a bunch of tribals, arming them properly and cleaned up the ruins just in time to 'welcome' the NCR.

Without Mr. House in the picture, the NCR would damn well lick their wounds because they won't have a figure like House to be feared, while the Courier is still just a no-name who has only recently entered the stage.

 

[Risewild]

6.Cass:

House: "Cass lived to see Hoover Dam in its Old World glory, humming with power the likes of which the Mojave had never seen. Vegas burned brighter than ever, securitrons filled the streets, and Cass's heart skipped... just a little. Her last words were to the Dam - and to herself. "We were going full speed ahead... but facing backwards the whole time.""

Independent: "Cass lived to see the Courier bring down three armies and by her count, that was three more than she'd expected. She'd kept quiet about that, though."

This one is a bit odd, but note the key phrase: "We were going full speed ahead... but facing backwards the whole time."

This sentence here is very important, it implies that House may bring development and such, but in his flawed Old World way. Of course, he has already proven that he can thrive in Wasteland by rebuilding the Strip and such. However, this coupled with heavy taxes and most likely a police state, brings rather questionable outlook on the House.

I'm just going to address this by saying I've already said all that I needed to say when I address Arcade's points. This is yet another beauty of New Vegas. This ending slide right here is just Cass's point of view. Again, she's not the one who entered the Lucky 38 and have conversations with Mr. House and, again, she doesn't take a look at the bigger picture nor she ever consider Mr. House's past achievements.

I actually read Cass Ending in the exactly opposite. After she saw the wonders of the old world in the Dam and New Vegas, she says "We were going full speed ahead... but facing backwards the whole time.". Notice the "we were" that means the past. The way I see it, Cass means that the wasteland before Mr House was going full speed ahead (they were pushing to survival and improve the lives of people) but facing backwards the whole time (they were trying to make it better for the wasteland, but after she saw how Mr House improved things to full splendor, she thought that before Mr House, they were going backwards).

That is the way I see it. Otherwise Cass would say something like "We are going full speed ahead... but facing backwards the whole time."

It's kinda like when someone finds out that fire is good to improve their lives, but keeps banging two rocks together for ages to start a small fire. They are going forwards, they are doing their best to improve their situation and lives... But then someone comes by and shows them how it is much easier to just use a lighter and showing them how to build lighters easily. They were going full speed ahead with improving their lives, but facing backwards because they had no idea about how to make it in a much "better" way.

 

[Black Angel]

That's...... another way to put it.

Damn, I LOVE THIS FUCKING GAME SO MUCH!

 

[Cobra Commander]

Yeah, great post risewild, makes a lot of sense.

About Arcade, I always thought he really wanted Vegas to be a hippie community. I do not much like his worldviews.

 

[Ediros]

House is likely something of an authoritarian, and the loss of life is probably due to the wasteland temporarily being anarchic after the NCR are no longer able to keep order.

That being said, House can't be too much of a tyrant, given that New Vegas is literally built on gambling. If he started doing horrific things, he'd probably lose most of his tourist industry.

Fair Point, without NCR many terrible things happen, like BOS and such. Not a tyrant in a strict sense, that would be counterproductive as you said. I think it is more of a well intentioned extremist and keeping peace through robot party. So, it's no a tyranny, rather undisputed rule, everyone has to obey. However, unlike many tyrants throughout the history, House is not cruel or sadistic, he means well. I would love to have him as my second hand, but what can you do?

That ending you quoted literally describes trade being established.

Maybe House realised that the Boomers would trade with the outside world eventually anyway, and didn't want to force there hand.

Hmm... that is fairly logical, I guess. House is not some kind of care taker, but it sounded to me like he ignored the Boomers, for no well explained reasons. Also, the traders themselves struck me as independent merchants and companies, such as crimson caravan, rather people affiliated with House or working for him. Though, he had to hire somebody to look for that silver chip. Still, not convinced though. Besides, he has already secured Boomer's trust and with courier being respected there, he could easily trade some rockets and ammunition for fuel and other things. That would be huge boon to him, yet he 'showed little interest on the Boomers'. Which is why I am bit sceptical about it.

I mean, it's not based on assumption. In said ending, The Kings literally did offer help to the NCR.

It's not wiping them out to the last man based on assumption, it's wiping them out to the last man based on the fact that they were literally signing truces with a group House deemed to be invaders.

Also, given that the whole philosophy of the Kings is about self-determination, and keeping there freedom, they probably wouldn't appreciate Mr House barging in on them.

Touche, not an assumption, my bad. Well, driving out squaters is a good thing to do, most of them are drunks, free loaders, thugs, who couldn't get to strip. So, driving them out is a correct thing to do and wiping out kings, based on the fact they could be working with NCR makes sense. Still, I find it odd, he never really ordered you to resolve or do anything about this whole situation to begin with. Sure, Freeside is not something of great interest to him, but having some basic intel about what is going on would be very beneficial to him and could make this whole situation play out in his favour with Courier's help.

The NCR Ending literally mentions Goodsprings being abandoned by the older residents due to not being able to pay the taxes.

House may potentially be a police state, but certainly not a heavily taxed one.

I believe you are wrong on the 'not heavily taxed' one. Here is a link and description: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Street_vendor

The street vendor mentions that they are heavily taxed by Mr. House at a rate of 50%, but continue to operate on the Strip for the security it provides.

Well, House already taxes 50%, NCR is most likely similar to current goverment taking 60% of income in form of taxes and such. We do not own, the exact percentage, but you can not deny that both sides have got rather high taxes, in NCR's case even too high.

Adding to what others has said about this 'tyranny of Mr. House', I have to say the ending slides for Independent Vegas was made in such a way to portray the other factions as antagonistic. It even went as far as specifically painting Mr. House as a 'tyrant', probably because he's the main offender to the idea of Independent Vegas. And I have to say I'm baffled as to why you think I'm 'omitting' the Courier's influence when it comes to Independent Vegas. I'm not. In fact, it's you who omitted the Courier's influence when it comes to Mr. House reign, only saying that a 'Mercenary Courier' can make House as the best option. I will take this opportunity to quote: " Actually no, Brivoo is right. Though I would compare House's reign more to a dual dictatorship than I would a 1 man rule thanks to the Courier having a say in pretty much all of House's decisions as said in the ending slide."

Like I said before, House merely gave the Courier some directions on what needs to be done, while how that's done is entirely up to the Courier. A Good Karma courier would definitely ensure that whatever it is that House wants to be done, it will be done it a way that's 'good'.

Also, why do we have to just talk about New Vegas being 'stable and secure'? Ain't the rest of the Mojave can enjoy such stability and security thanks to the Courier's works? Like I mentioned, I acknowledged the fact that the differences between a House-reigned and Independent Vegas are rather minimal, but what little differences they have, it has a significant impact for the future of New Vegas, Mojave, and humanity at large: Yes-Man doesn't have the same visions and wits of Mr. House, nor he would be able to use all of the information like House did, nor would he have a good plan in case the NCR attempt to annex the Mojave again.

That's... a very beneficial cooperation, yes. Hmm... I definitely didn't think of it this way, I rather saw House as a one who orders the Courier around as his righthand man, not someone that actually influences House just gets things done for him.

About Yes-man not having a good plan, why do you think that Yes-Man can not hope to match and exceed House with Courier's help with time? Of course, early on, House is better in basically every category, but! Let's not bring any dlcs into equation for now. Considering he is an actual AI, not a set of directives, Yes-Man will evolve, will gain insight and will analyse all the data. He is like ZAX or E-de or even Skynet. And before you say, Yes-Man is just an automated personality, not a true AI, ZAX units were known to have achieved self-awareness. Wouldn't be surprised, if House had a ZAX or something similar in Lucky 38, considering his massive network, regulating his own body, etc. Not to mention, how Yes-Man REACTS to all the things that can happen. I mean, what sort of robot can basically drip with sarcasm and express disappointment like this: "Right, who wants a vast army of mechanical servants to savage your enemy? Why make it easy? " In the base game, you can get your skills to 100 perform outstanding feats, not to mention the experience of the courier as he/she has lived in the wasteland for a good part of Courier's life. Courier can teach Yes-Man, so that he can become even better advisor and an AI. Let's just name some of the Courier's feats: He can convince Lanius to run away, bluff his way out with General 'sit and do nothing' Oliver, he can fix basically anything, hack any computer, best doctor, wealth of knowledge about barganing and trade in general, can defuse bombs, basically undetectable with high sneak, etc. Here is a thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2iykom/respect_courier_6_fallout_new_vegas/

What Jogre said. House really don't do things like establishing trade routes and such, because it's not his job. Hell, why don't we bring the Courier into the picture again? If we're doing a Good Karma Courier, the Boomers would definitely see that the 'savages' ain't as bad as they thought, and so, just like what the ending slide said, they eventually began venturing out of Nellis to meet and trade with travelers. Without House 'establishing trade routes', the route establish itself.

I have already explained it in Jogre's post.

Ahh, the beauty of New Vegas. Even the ending slides are made in such a way to include one character's point of view. See what I did there? "loss of liberty and life" is a word that came from the mouth of one Arcade Gannon, but Arcade Gannon never entered the Lucky 38, nor he ever had conversations with Mr. House, nor he ever take a look at bigger picture. Does Arcade Gannon ever think about how New Vegas Strip springs into life in such a short time, manned by bunch of tribals that has been rehabilitated?

Fair point, none of the companions can ever meet with House for some reason, not even a dog or an eyebot. Taking Arcede's slide with a bit of salt, it is a subjective opinion at the bare minimun. That aside, he really is never happy, not even with independent New Vegas. Though, if you meet with Ceasar and take Arcade with you, he blows up like this: . I am not saying Arcade opinion is correct, he gets way too emotional, way too easy, not to mention he has never really been a part of Enclave, so he might have education, but not experience. Though, I have to ask, why do we have to leave our companions outside, even Rex?

"So he most likely can and will keep the income of the town in mind and regulate it accordingly"? What? Where did you get that from? Again, this is where the difference between House-reign and Independent Vegas is rather minimal. Even under House-rule, Goodsprings STILL "....thrived. More travelers stopped by Goodsprings on their way to and from the Strip, and the locals grew prosperous from the traffic.", BUT with an added monitoring by Victor, of which although the good folks might get annoyed by, I don't see them complaining in the ending slides like when NCR wins the battle and impose heavy taxes upon them.

Monitored the town and mixed blessing, note the mixed blessing part. If it was just a protection or something like that, why is it a mixed blessing? Considering House already takes 50% of income on Strip, would it really be that hard to notice, how else he can benefit from the town? Besides, monitoring the town for rebelion or some scheeming could annoy some people. Basically, being under surveilance constantly. So, either way, I think you are making it a bit too tame. House has already proven he is a businessman above everything else.

Why is this a 'bad' thing? You chose to make the town surrender and getting annexed by the NCR. Of course Mr. House is going to get pissed!

I know I have mentioned this before, but I'm not sure if you ever pay attention to it. Mr. House is the best option IF you do things RIGHT. And those right things would include: NOT letting Primm getting annexed by the NCR, NOT letting the Kings reconcile with the NCR AND even encourage wiping out the missionaries and the squatters, etc etc.

NOTICE HOW AGAIN, HOUSE DOES NOT EVEN IMPLY OF THERE BEING CONSEQUENCES. I mean, look at the quests, you do for him, all of them are either related to ensuring Strip is safe and secure, gaining alies and resources for Hoover Dam, etc. It makes sense, but why is there no interest in regular folk? He did that same thing with Freeside, where he only acted once the courier made choice, not even imply what he should do. And I understand that House does not have resources for everything, but why isn't there an option to ask him? I bet a good Courier would do everything in his power to help House, besides the main quest and battle for Hoover Dam, but such option does not exist.

I'm just going to address this by saying I've already said all that I needed to say when I address Arcade's points. This is yet another beauty of New Vegas. This ending slide right here is just Cass's point of view. Again, she's not the one who entered the Lucky 38 and have conversations with Mr. House and, again, she doesn't take a look at the bigger picture nor she ever consider Mr. House's past achievements.

And heavy taxes? What? House only impose heavy taxes on Primm for their surrendering to NCR. He doesn't imposed it if Primm's law enforcer is Meyers or Primm Slim, and he doesn't impose heavy taxes anywhere else.

Heavy taxes are a fact, have a look at this article: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Street_vendor

I'm just going to quote myself from previous page for this one

Fair enough, in independent and House you just should get NCR out of Freeside, I cede my point

Think about what I said in my quote above. NCR's presence in Freeside was a propaganda to sway the local's support to them, but it's not working. Hence why you'll notice some NPCs who's nearby the relief are squatters. They're unwanted presence because the took the local's living space. And again, there's really not much for House to do other than leaving them alone. What's so bad about leaving people alone? Does he has to personally go down the field and thank people?

Nothing wrong with leaving people to letting do whatever do whatever they want with their lives. However, shouldn't a good goverment care for his people in some way? Besides collecting taxes? Also, I agree that squatters are a nuisance and should be ridden out.

Yes, exactly. They did pretty good job protecting Freeside, no? So why does Mr. House has to send some Securitrons down there? Why shouldn't he leave them alone, again?


"Also, don't you think antagonizing citizens of powerful country like NCR seems like a bad idea, don't you think?"
I don't know, man. Why don't you ask yourself this question? It isn't on a House-endings that "The Kings took the opportunity to viciously force all NCR citizens out of Freeside." Granted, on a House-ending the Kings still attacked some of the NCR citizens.... at least they didn't viciously force ALL NCR citizens out of Freeside.

You are right, instead they: "During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of The Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone."

That said, visciusly forcing everyone of the area is worse than House's ending on this one, I agree with you.

Seriously? Why don't you also consider that if Yes-Man is inside Lucky 38's Mainframe, someone walks inside the building and just blow every goddamn thing, then?

You can do the same thing with House, blow up Lucky 38, destroy his securitrons, damage his reactor, but Yes-Man can just jump from body to body. Heck, nothing happens no matter, how many times you kill Yes-Man. Yes-Man comes out on top of here, one way or another. And do I have to remind you, how many securitrons there are, and how many Lucky 38s in the world? Hint, hint, the difference is quite big if you ask me. EVEN DURING BATTLE FOR HOOVER DAM HE CAN JUMP FROM SECURITRON TO SECURITRON, SO DESTROYING LUCKY 38 WON'T KILL HIM.

Okay, but once again, humanity lose Mr. House's visions and wits. Yes-Man still can't use all of the information stored in the mainframe like Mr. House can, nor would he be able to procure a good plan in case the NCR re-attempt annexing the Mojave.

I have already explained why Yes-Man will be superior to House with enough time and cosidering he is an AI and most of them are pretty bloody smart, I think replacing a House and running Mojave is a matter of months, maybe a year or two. He may not be able to do it now, but given enough time, he will be gain the upper hand.

*sigh* He's already giving the Courier the freedom to choose the method on how to deal with stuff. Basically, Mr. House only wants us to get shit done, no matter how we gonna do it. He doesn't rule like a literal monarch who sit upon his throne, listening all day long to his subjects problems and dilemma. Of course, in case of the Kings reconciling with the NCR, I was initially surprised by the ending slide because my second playthrough I supported House for the very first time. But thinking about it all, we don't need to listen to Mr. House spoon-feeding all of it for us because that's not exactly his concern. Hell, why don't we blame Obsidian in this regard because why don't we have dialogue option to mention this specific concern to Mr. House?

We might as well blame them for lack of Legion content, which was bugthesda's fault. Also, already explained my stance.[/QUOTE]

 

[Einhanderc7]

My biggest problem with Yes man, is the fact that anyone can tell him what to do. He literally cannot say no.

Imagine if you will someone manages to sneak into the area you keep Yes Man, they could if they wanted take your power that is Yes Man and keep it for themselves. (*cough* courier did it.)

With Mr. House that isn't an issue, also Mr. house is capable of weighing risks more proportionately than Yes Man can. Yes man is nothing more than a glorified terminal with all the passwords unlocked, its full of data and raw sensor input, nothing more. It has no dreams or concept of innovation nor any intentions at all. The best Yes Man can do is give a vague prediction based on available information. Where as Mr. House can gauge the human condition and make educated guesses based on how an individual acts. Its like comparing a human brain to a computer from the 80's.

 

[Ediros]

My biggest problem with Yes man, is the fact that anyone can tell him what to do. He literally cannot say no.

Imagine if you will someone manages to sneak into the area you keep Yes Man, they could if they wanted take your power that is Yes Man and keep it for themselves. (*cough* courier did it.)

With Mr. House that isn't an issue, also Mr. house is capable of weighing risks more proportionately than Yes Man can. Yes man is nothing more than a glorified terminal with all the passwords unlocked, its full of data and raw sensor input, nothing more. It has no dreams or concept of innovation nor any intentions at all. The best Yes Man can do is give a vague prediction based on available information. Where as Mr. House can gauge the human condition and make educated guesses based on how an individual acts. Its like comparing a human brain to a computer from the 80's.

I just quoted J. E. Sawyer...
http://www.gamesas.com/yes-man-will-not-evil-t138527.html

 

[Einhanderc7]

I just quoted J. E. Sawyer...
http://www.gamesas.com/yes-man-will-not-evil-t138527.html

I know, I just wanted to put in my perspective, and not someone else's.

 

[Ediros]

I know, I just wanted to put in my perspective, and not someone else's.

Oh, I see, my mistake.

Still, I believe you have made a mistake. Yes man is not a simple program or automated personality - OWB. He is an actual AI, just with rather dumb personality. Just look at his responses, I doubt something like Protectron could say anything like this

 

[Einhanderc7]

I can see what your getting at, but I think that was a designer embellishment and nothing more. Granted we all enjoy reading super deep into everything, but I think that may just be giving Yes Man more credit than is due.

 

[Ediros]

I can see what your getting at, but I think that was a designer embellishment and nothing more. Granted we all enjoy reading super deep into everything, but I think that may just be giving Yes Man more credit than is due.

... It is so laid down in front of you, it can't be more obvious. In entire Fallout New Vegas, there are many different AIs, Victor doesn't count, he is most likely an automated personality House controls.

-E-de
-Mr. New Vegas
-Yes-Man
-Jane - lucky 38

Even previous games had Skynet, Zax and such.

Not to mention, you can't stimulate response to every actions, especially those that Yes-Man didn't expect like: his shock and astonishment to the improvements mark 2 software provides

 

[Black Angel]

About Yes-man not having a good plan, why do you think that Yes-Man can not hope to match and exceed House with Courier's help with time? Of course, early on, House is better in basically every category, but! Let's not bring any dlcs into equation for now. Considering he is an actual AI, not a set of directives, Yes-Man will evolve, will gain insight and will analyse all the data. He is like ZAX or E-de or even Skynet. And before you say, Yes-Man is just an automated personality, not a true AI, ZAX units were known to have achieved self-awareness. Wouldn't be surprised, if House had a ZAX or something similar in Lucky 38, considering his massive network, regulating his own body, etc. Not to mention, how Yes-Man REACTS to all the things that can happen. I mean, what sort of robot can basically drip with sarcasm and express disappointment like this: "Right, who wants a vast army of mechanical servants to savage your enemy? Why make it easy? " In the base game, you can get your skills to 100 perform outstanding feats, not to mention the experience of the courier as he/she has lived in the wasteland for a good part of Courier's life. Courier can teach Yes-Man, so that he can become even better advisor and an AI. Let's just name some of the Courier's feats: He can convince Lanius to run away, bluff his way out with General 'sit and do nothing' Oliver, he can fix basically anything, hack any computer, best doctor, wealth of knowledge about barganing and trade in general, can defuse bombs, basically undetectable with high sneak, etc. Here is a thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2iykom/respect_courier_6_fallout_new_vegas/

To address this, let me give you 4 things to consider:

1.

Spoiler: The Courier is NOT Mr. House, and vice versa.

In rather short window of time between the Courier's first encounter with Mr. House AND the Courier killing Mr. House, do you think the Courier had a time to learn some trade from Mr. House necessary to progress an Independent Vegas in a way that House visioned, let alone 'better(!)' than that? I'm not ignoring the Courier's achievements throughout the game, nor omitting it from influencing the aftermath of the events, but it's not the Courier who achieved Mr. House's past achievements and it's not the Courier who envisioned the future of New Vegas, Mojave, and entire humanity.

2.

Spoiler: Yes-Man AND the entire Lucky 38 building (including the mainframe and all) are product of Mr. House's work.

How do you think Yes-Man came to be? He's been disabled and heavily modified by a combination of Benny's and Emily Ortal's effort. Yet even then, they can't work outside of Mr. House's original design, nor could they reprogram it into something that's completely different from what it was, cause otherwise it might not be able to fit into the mainframe. Everything you saw of Yes-Man once it's hooked to Lucky 38's mainframe, of its own ability in relation to what it can achieve and in relation to the mainframe itself, all of it wouldn't be possible if not for Mr. House. So why do we need Yes-Man, exactly? Other than getting rid of a figure who we perceive as being 'in the way'? And once again,

3.

Spoiler: Yes-Man STILL doesn't have Mr. House's visions and wits.

I know that the quests were structured in a way so that you can stick with Mr. House to nearly the very end and THEN betray him by killing him and went to do everything else Yes-Man way instead. That way, the Courier can 'learn' some of the trade from Mr. House and also his motivations, then get rid of him and pass what he learns to Yes-Man instead. However, once again, the Courier is NOT Mr. House and vice versa. And while Yes-Man might learn from all of this achievement and take note of that future plans, he still doesn't possess Mr. House's visions of everything else and momentary wits to deal with problems. That would require Yes-Man being reprogrammed so heavily to resemble Mr. House, like *cough* Jane *cough*. And while it's interesting to consider that something of a ZAX supercomputer or something similar existed in the mainframe, I don't think Mr. House would let a supercomputer to 'surpass' him in any way, lest it would go beyond his control. I believe Mr. House would immediately take note of the possibilities of one of his Securitrons being jury-rigged into taking a peek at his mainframe and procure a plan to deal with this problem. And yet....

4.

Spoiler: What if the Courier die? And/or what if a Wild Care (like Benny) came around?

I doubt the Courier would be able to procure the exact same cryogenics device the same as House, especially since the history of cryogenics in the series resulted in... the guy experiencing post-Cryogenic syndrome and disintegrates into a puddle of slime. Perhaps with the technology from the Big MT..... oh right, we don't take DLCs into consideration for now. And also, what if someone like Benny comes around? How do the Courier and Yes-Man deal with a Wild Card? The whole ordeal, the opening of Lucky 38, the death of Mr. House AND the conclusion of Second Battle of Hoover Dam might have attracted so many attention. What if someone who's much more skilled and capable than the Courier is to be hired by the NCR to help bringing down the only thing standing in the way from NCR to New Vegas, simultaneously acting like a Wild Card to the Courier&Yes-Man?

Hmm... that is fairly logical, I guess. House is not some kind of care taker, but it sounded to me like he ignored the Boomers, for no well explained reasons. Also, the traders themselves struck me as independent merchants and companies, such as crimson caravan, rather people affiliated with House or working for him. Though, he had to hire somebody to look for that silver chip. Still, not convinced though. Besides, he has already secured Boomer's trust and with courier being respected there, he could easily trade some rockets and ammunition for fuel and other things. That would be huge boon to him, yet he 'showed little interest on the Boomers'. Which is why I am bit sceptical about it.

Monitored the town and mixed blessing, note the mixed blessing part. If it was just a protection or something like that, why is it a mixed blessing? Considering House already takes 50% of income on Strip, would it really be that hard to notice, how else he can benefit from the town? Besides, monitoring the town for rebelion or some scheeming could annoy some people. Basically, being under surveilance constantly. So, either way, I think you are making it a bit too tame. House has already proven he is a businessman above everything else.

I'm going to address both of this at the same time. The reason why Mr. House 'ignore' the Boomers, seemingly ignorant of the 'benefits' he could gain from them even if only in form of rockets, ammunition, and fuels, and also why I believe he doesn't really take 'benefits' from a town like Goodsprings, is because the Strip alone has already made him swimming in caps. According to Yes-Man, Mr. House spent 812,545 caps in the year prior to the events of game, simply to recover the Platinum Chip. A year prior to the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, that means by that time the Legion would've pretty much recovered from their defeat at First Battle of Hoover Dam, once again baring their hoofs and horns from the Fort. That would have to definitely scared many, if not the majority, of NCR's citizens from visiting New Vegas when war is imminent, not to mention with the NCR spreading its forces throughout the Mojave that I doubt Mr. House had a time to establish an authority to collect taxes from the towns across the Mojave, yet he gained and spent 812,545 caps in a year prior to the events of New Vegas anyway.

As for mixed blessing part for Goodsprings, again the ending slides doesn't give any slightest of hints that Mr. House is collecting taxes from them. If it is, the ending slides would've explicitly state it. Besides, we don't see any of the good folks actually complaining and grudgingly react to Victor's presence, cause otherwise, again, the ending slides would've state it (just like when NCR wins the battle and impose heavy taxes on Goodsprings that some of the old timers leave).

Though, I have to ask, why do we have to leave our companions outside, even Rex?

Could've been a precaution, Mr. House won't really see if you have a hostile intention when you entered his chamber, so if you do he would want you to be alone. Or, once again, he distrusts your companions and yes, even Rex or even E-DE. Especially E-DE, since it has a voice recording ability, and for all he knows we might have put a hidden tape recorded on Rex.

NOTICE HOW AGAIN, HOUSE DOES NOT EVEN IMPLY OF THERE BEING CONSEQUENCES. I mean, look at the quests, you do for him, all of them are either related to ensuring Strip is safe and secure, gaining alies and resources for Hoover Dam, etc. It makes sense, but why is there no interest in regular folk? He did that same thing with Freeside, where he only acted once the courier made choice, not even imply what he should do. And I understand that House does not have resources for everything, but why isn't there an option to ask him? I bet a good Courier would do everything in his power to help House, besides the main quest and battle for Hoover Dam, but such option does not exist.

Hmm, why should we get spoonfed the implications of consequences? Should the water merchants from Fallout 1 also imply that Vault 13 would be invaded sooner than later if we assign them to deliver the water to the vault? As for the regular folks, the Courier already helped them, especially that of Freeside, when the Courier do the quests for the Kings and for the Followers. Well, maybe not the Kings if you resolved the problem with the NCR violently, but it's for the better in the long run. "But why isn't there an option to ask him?" well, why Obsidian didn't design and made more quests where Mr. House is concerned of such trivial matter that could be dealt with once he's done with the NCR and the Legion? Or maybe, just maybe, by the time the Courier finally have his chance to talk with Mr. House, the Courier has already done all that's there to be done for Freeside after resolving the quests for the Kings and the Followers. Fuck, why don't Yes-Man give us quests with an interest in regular folks?

I'd give you about this one, though, because while there are ending slides for Freeside even if it's the Kings's and the Followers's, there's not a damn one for Westside and North Vegas at all. Hell, there's not a damn ending slide for any of the Three Families!

Heavy taxes are a fact, have a look at this article: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Street_vendor

Oh, but that tax is only applied if you're selling things on the Strip. I don't see anything wrong with it, considering caps literally flow into the Strip like an overflowing river. He doesn't collect taxes anywhere else.... well, save for when Primm surrender itself to the NCR.

You can do the same thing with House, blow up Lucky 38, destroy his securitrons, damage his reactor, but Yes-Man can just jump from body to body. Heck, nothing happens no matter, how many times you kill Yes-Man. Yes-Man comes out on top of here, one way or another. And do I have to remind you, how many securitrons there are, and how many Lucky 38s in the world? Hint, hint, the difference is quite big if you ask me. EVEN DURING BATTLE FOR HOOVER DAM HE CAN JUMP FROM SECURITRON TO SECURITRON, SO DESTROYING LUCKY 38 WON'T KILL HIM.

*sigh* I want you to retake your time and read once again what you've typed here. I'll give you some hints: There's only one Lucky 38 in the whole world, and it's the definitely the only place where House (and of course, Yes-Man) can control every. Single. One. Securitron.

I have already explained why Yes-Man will be superior to House with enough time and cosidering he is an AI and most of them are pretty bloody smart, I think replacing a House and running Mojave is a matter of months, maybe a year or two. He may not be able to do it now, but given enough time, he will be gain the upper hand.

Then why should we take more time to get to where House were and 'surpass' him, if we already have House at a place where he's at?

 

[Einhanderc7]

I honestly try to read these walls of texts, but once they start to repeat information that was stated in the same post I quit.

4. What if the Courier die? And/or what if a Wild Care (like Benny) came around?
I doubt the Courier would be able to procure the exact same cryogenics device the same as House, especially since the history of cryogenics in the series resulted in... the guy experiencing post-Cryogenic syndrome and disintegrates into a puddle of slime. Perhaps with the technology from the Big MT..... oh right, we don't take DLCs into consideration for now. And also, what if someone like Benny comes around? How do the Courier and Yes-Man deal with a Wild Card? The whole ordeal, the opening of Lucky 38, the death of Mr. House AND the conclusion of Second Battle of Hoover Dam might have attracted so many attention. What if someone who's much more skilled and capable than the Courier is to be hired by the NCR to help bringing down the only thing standing in the way from NCR to New Vegas, simultaneously acting like a Wild Card to the Courier&Yes-Man?

I get that this is a very interesting subject, but in the name of brevity and to ensure the topic stays alive. Why not draft your post, re-read it, then boil it down to the points you want to make. I say this not to point out only Black Angel's post but everyone else's in this thread that has done the same. (@Ediros)

Therefore TLDR

 

[Black Angel]

Yeah, you're right. Now that I read my post again, there's so many information that I repeated. I've edited it so it's easier to skim through.

But I'll also have to be blunt here, I've actually repeated my points across this thread far too many times. I guess I'm so tired of doing that, so I'll suggest before anyone start addressing my points again, I'd ask you guys to take your time and read the whole thread before actually posting something.