So? They can keep on going, and the NCR isn't a long step away from being a dictatorship. Also, blame tactics. They could spread rumors that Mr House is evil or the Legion took over the damn. Can anyone tell them different? Radio and internet don't exist.
But who knows what the new government will do? Actually... now I really want to see the Legion win, and what the new government of the NCR is made of.
Arcade Gannon end slides say:
Profligate.
Eh, your other choices leave Freeside either under the foot of an oppressive dictatorship, a part of a civilisation that's in the midst of collapsing or, in the same amount of chaos, but without the benefits of House (small those benefits may be).
Again, why would the NCR want to do that? The only ones who directly take the blame for the NCR's 'losses' in the Dam were Oliver and Kimball. The build up for the political tension among the NCR were directly from Oliver and Kimball's decision to push the Mojave campaign, in such an incompetent way of doing it nonetheless. If you pay attention, Kimball was actually not popular back in the NCR's territory because the Mojave war effort drained the NCR's personnel and resources.
So? What's wrong with Mr. House liking snowglobes? What does that mean to you? Is that particular hobby and adoration for snowglobes affected his work upon the Strip? Or, yet, the Mojave as a whole?
Man, the thing with the Followers has been discussed many times few pages back, but I shall repeat it since it was pretty simple. The Followers finds out the Freeside getting more chaotic when you support Mr. House (AND when you go Independent) was due to significant increase in tourism and visits upon New Vegas, because its' potential has been fully realized, now, that the conflict with the Dam has been resolved. If anything, the Followers are idiots to not realize that and instead just concluded the situation as 'getting worse'. Especially when you consider all those help we gathered for them *sighs*I don't know if Mr. House is the best hope for the wasteland and humanity or not, but checking the end slides about the Followers of The Apocalypse with Mr. House end says:
Arcade Gannon end slides say:
Seems like Mr. House cares about the Strip and nowhere else and so it allows violence and chaos in the region as long as it is not in the Strip.
No, because all he needs to do is cut off the energy supply.
We justified that space travel was not bull about 4 pages ago, go back and look.
So? They can survive without it, and it would affect House worse. Vegas's economy relies on tourism and trade, while he gets supplies from the NCR as well.
That alone isn't enough to justify the NCR 'cutting their ties with New Vegas'. While that is a possibility, it's very tiny. All those power from the Dam are way too important for the NCR to just do something absolutely dumb. The only reason why Kimball still manage to push his Mojave campaign despite of beginning to become unpopular back at home is because there was no really bad thing happen....yet, like getting their ass kicked out by Mr. House/Independent Vegas despite seemingly won the Second Battle.
But why did Hanlon even bother going for a Senator's seat? Maybe he's changed significantly after seeing how the NCR supposedly 'won' the Second Battle, only to get subsequently kicked out by Mr. House, hence instead of just retiring like he would have if the NCR truly win, he instead raised his voice an even louder than ever to the point of actively participates in the NCR's politics.
Umm... history has shown again and again that it is. Tiny possibility of what? How is it dumb? The NCR would destroy their rival and weaken House economically which would allow them to dictate a positive deal. How is that dumb if they gained in advantage in dealing with House? Except there was, while the defeat was bad, it would have been worse if they continued due to bankruptcy and weakened man power. The government should be smart enough to see that.
Because he wanted to? Or maybe he wanted to lead a community, rather then a force that extinguished them. I'm not debating that brahmin trades made people rich, I just doubt that REDDING became rich from it. There's no evidence that Redding is important, the fact that some important people come from there doesn't mean anything. There are many famous people from towns that no one has ever heard of before (apart residents of said town).
Well, war never changes, then. Tiny possibility of the NCR 'cutting their ties with New Vegas', especially just because of 'nationalistic beliefs and tendencies'. Seriously, how is that gonna make them do that? And the NCR didn't really see Mr. House as their rivals; no, only those who insisted on pushing the imperialistic way of trying to annex the Strip are the ones who would see Mr. House as their 'rivals', e.g Oliver, Kimball, and Moore. And how would the NCR dictate a positive deal, then, if they 'cut their ties' with Mr. House? Remember, those clean water and the power from the Dam are way too much to just let go, especially just because of 'nationalistic beliefs and tendencies'. Unlike the NCR, Mr. House is a smarter business man. To put it simply, Mr. House has higher Barter skill than anyone in the NCR. You gotta admit, as much as the NCR seemed like they always wanted to bite more than they can chew, it was mostly only Oliver, Kimball, and the likes. The rest of the NCR, heck even Hanlon were pretty tired of their shit, most of them just wanna go home. Hence why you saw Hanlon called out Oliver and Kimball, but not Mr. House. To just 'cut their ties' will be so dumb, they would lose all those water and power that's necessary to help sustain their ever-growing population. They won't last if they keep pushing the direction they went, hence the need for the water and the power.
But a Senator? It's pretty important position. Knowing the likes of him, he will have a pretty strong voice to be recognized amongst the NCR Ruling Council, and I don't see why it isn't important.
No it doesn't. Yeah, it was that tiny possibility that led to the Nazis, that made World War 1 a high possibility, that created widespread colonialism and worse. Actually the NCR did, in fact many NCR citizens voice happiness when House dies, saying that it means New Vegas would have an easier time joining the NCR. Does that sound like they don't mind him? By threatening him with economic sanctions they can do what they want, as Mr House knows full well he relies on their immigrants and trade for resources. It's not total war, but a threat. Yeah let's throw away nationalism for a commercial and political advantage dealing with Mr House. I doubt it... Mr House hasn't shown a high barter skill at all. Dealings with the three families? Force. Dealings with the NCR? Force (promise of a two front war). Sure, there's business behind it but at the simplest level, he uses force to get where he wants. Can you prove that? As I said, they're not cutting it forever.
Depends on what area you're senator of. A strong voice doesn't make you powerful.
Except there's no indication that what you're saying is going to happen anytime soon. The NCR's losses in the Dam were exactly directed on Oliver, Kimball, and anyone who keep pushing with an imperialistic policy.
Then what about the locals? Have you even tried to listen to what the locals has to say regarding the NCR barking at the door to New Vegas? And if the NCR's citizens really cared to have New Vegas joins the NCR, why would they keep coming to the Strip, especially when there's still an ongoing conflict with the Dam? Heck, from the ending slides with the Followers, it's obvious how tourism and visits upon New Vegas were increased to the point of Freeside getting more 'chaotic', well for the Followers. So, nah, the NCR don't have any trick up their sleeves to make their deal with Mr. House on their favors.
'Immigrants'? Seriously? What proof do you have he relies on 'Immigrants'? If anything, he actually relied to NCR's citizens tourism and visits upon New Vegas, which even though they're happy when Mr. House dies, they still seemed to don't mind visiting the Strip when Mr. House's still alive anyway. Now, since you've been insisting that Mr. House relied on 'Immigrants' since few pages ago, where's the proof that there's any immigrants residing on New Vegas proper? All I see are Squatters, not Immigrants.
But what they can gain from it? Think about it. The risks are too great to simply cut ties with Mr. House just because they didn't get the deal to lean in their favors. Having forced to get rid of their military presence is harmless to the entirety of the NCR as a whole, especially since their war effort weren't even that popular and 100% supported by the folks back at home and the likes of Hanlon. Still having their citizens allowed access to the Mojave means they can still prosper right through trading with the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas and still getting all those water and power. Okay, let's say they did what you think they would do. The only 'positive' things they can get from doing that, would be the ability to push another war effort. Do you think, with the situation that builds up toward the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, they would want to risks another war effort?
Well, he managed to convince the NCR to set up that first treaty when they first meet. Mr. House even admitted that, with only a handful Mark I Securitrons and the help of the Three Families, they would get wiped out by the NCR should the NCR didn't listen to Mr. House. But he succeed, that shows how he has a business acumen.
This is false. If you say he dealt with the rest of the tribal and gangs who disagreed to leave with force, okay, I'll concede. But the Three Families? They even stated they gave 100% consent to agree working with Mr. House, not because they were forced to. What evidence you have that the Three Families were forced to work for him, hmm? If anything, they are actually pretty happy working for Mr. House.
Well, his initial dealings with them involve diplomacy and bartering. The second one is with show of force, not actual force. If he did deal with the NCR in the Dam with force, he would have his Securitrons to shoot all of the NCR's personnel on sight. But that's not the case.
Except, he didn't. Most of his dealings involve only show of force, like when he tried to recruit the tribal and gangs around the ruins of Las Vegas, setting up the initial treaty with the NCR and also when he kick out the NCR from their war effort out of the Mojave. If he really did want to use force to get what he want, he would have us deal with the Boomers with absolute force.
Prove what?
If they tried to do what you think they gonna do, they might as well cut it forever. You haven't even give me an example how they would be able to bully Mr. House into setting up the deal in their favor. Preventing their citizens from visiting New Vegas? They would be greeted with riots and uprising. Boycotting trades? Well, the Hub's Governors, as well as many merchant companies have their own agendas and they saw money all over the Mojave, so they won't be boycotting New Vegas any time soon. Preventing immigration? Well, there's no immigrants actually residing in New Vegas proper, since the locals were also pretty irritated with the NCR and their squatters.
Well, we haven't yet know the name of the other ruling council, and we don't know their exact opinion of the Mojave war effort, New Vegas, and Mr. House. But since it's stated that many of them criticized Kimball for his insistence on pushing Mojave campaign, I can only imagine most of them agreed with Hanlon when he called out Kimball and Oliver.
Think it like this. The Jamisons resides in Redding. Where would their Brahmin gets herded? Redding. Since they were pretty powerful, big, and wealthy, how many people do they need to work their Brahmins? A lot. Say, the population of Redding. Since they get pretty successful, heck big enough to influence Crimson Caravan Company's policy, I predicted they would be paying their employees, aka Redding population, lots of caps as they grew. We don't know what kind of person the Jamisons, is, apart from their son that apparently they wanted to get rid so they agreed to set him up to lead the Mojave branch of Crimson Caravan Company, but.... well, do you get the idea now?
How exactly could they survive without it?
Which for all we know is the government as well.
Locals... last time I heard you were harking about how many NCR immigrants and how they are causing the problems from overpopulation... aka, more NCR citizens then locals! The ending slides from Freeside never mentioned tourism. Apart from cutting of his immigration (tourism and gambling) and supplies (The Mojave desert is not self sufficient).
Immigrants, squatters, tourists so what? You're arguing semantics to deflect the point that cutting of his main source of income is a very big thing! Also, it's easy to do it, there are only a few entries to the Mojave, all controlled by the NCR, Legion or raider groups. Happy Trails is centered from NCR... the NCR can force on embargoes and keep them from trading. It's not hard, look up real life. Independent cities in the Mojave... yeah what can they trade that he can't? Not water, not food, not anything else.
More energy and more resources. Also, while I agree, you're ignoring that cutting off a man's blood can make him desperate. Starving Vegas allows the NCR to make a better deal with Mr House, possibly creating another occupation of the surrounding area (with a Legion defeat this won't be that a big problem) or just Vegas itself. There are lot of positives here, for short term losses. After all, with the dealings with Mr House they would get their energy back and more of it.
Not really, the only thing that made the NCR hesitant was their unwillingness to fight on a two front war and sacrifice extra men. They didn't know how powerful he was, if anything House was a better liar then businessman. As long as he made the mirage of a powerful army he could make a peace deal.
They gave 100% AFTER they saw his securitrons. The Boot Riders even laughed at his offer, only seriously thinking about it after Mr House sent his entire group of securitrons to their camp (Thanks to Benny). The rest were persuaded to work due to his force, and he damn well knew he could wipe them all out. So it was force ultimately that made them followers.
Only came about FROM force. If he had no securitrons the NCR would ignore him and occupy Vegas easily.
But he did. He used force everywhere, from upkeeping the law, to making people pay up. Sure you can say it's a show of force, but that doesn't change the fact that all his dealings only began because he had an army.
That the NCR didn't like their war effort. It's a reality that the people at the back (who aren't being bombed and attacked by the Legion) see things better then people at the front, who are the ones that complain.
Riots? Uprisings? This isn't destroying their rights and oppressing them, this is just banning them from a far away city that has been taken over by the 'enemy'. Force the merchants to boycott the city, and promise them a more fertile trading ground. A lack of certain goods leads to a higher demand allowing the merchant companies to up prices. Preventing tourism and the like.
Where does it state that? And for all we know, they may just be criticizing his methods rather then the actual war effort.
Redding is rich because a company pays high wages.
He is able to find fuel, doesn't cut it. Where is the fuel, how will he transport it, how will he refine it?
Obviously, because technical specialists who can tinker on rockets grow on trees!
Saying House can produce a lunar colony, doesn't cut it. Where would he get the materials, where would he get the expertise and necessary knowledge? Scrap metal doesn't make fucking high tech bullshit that's needed. Next thing we know, you can make plasma guns out of toys!
Perhaps, I can see that happening. That just turns the NCR citizens against their government, leading to a possibility of a glorious socialist... a revolution basically.
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